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The Death of the Death of Obamacare
New York Magazine ^ | 1/16 | Jonathan Chait

Posted on 01/16/2014 1:47:01 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: henkster
Romney at least said he’d repeal it.

Suckers. The only thing he would have changed would be increasing the penalty for not buying his campaign contributors products and adding some jail time to it.

21 posted on 01/16/2014 2:43:56 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Mount Athos

Maybe, just maybe, the insurance companies can see that the “billions of government dollars” will run out....sooner or later.


22 posted on 01/16/2014 2:49:31 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: JennysCool
Renovating a house isn't necessarily fatal.

Nowhere in this article was actual care mentioned -only the financial side of insurance. When the bodies begin to pile up due to unaffordable meds and missing doctors and hospitals, I believe the collapse is inevitable. So, so unbelievably sad and wholly preventable prior to the fog that has descended over men's minds.

23 posted on 01/16/2014 2:56:53 PM PST by PuzzledInTX
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To: Robert357

“This is a really bad law, but it may or may not be too late to kill it. The real question will be how many negative headlines doe it get between now and the November elections. “

It isn’t too late, IF the GOP can CLEARLY EXPLAIN an alternative to the public. Or to anyone, for that matter.


24 posted on 01/16/2014 2:57:54 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: henkster
Romney at least said he’d repeal it.

Why would you believe that?
Seriously, (1) the President cannot unilaterally repeal laws; and (2) Romney is Obama's political clone.

25 posted on 01/16/2014 2:58:51 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Chait is an uberliberal Obamafellator.


26 posted on 01/16/2014 2:59:40 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Obamacare will no doubt live forever in our hearts and minds..Unlike the Alamo we will desperately want to forget it and like Freddiy Krueger it will not die but will live on in someone’s sordid dreams


27 posted on 01/16/2014 3:06:36 PM PST by woofie
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To: nickcarraway
But it was never going to collapse, because renovating a house, like having a national health-care system, is something that is fundamentally doable.

Chait probably also believed that the Soviet Union was never going to collapse, and that 100 million murders by Communists were just a temporary "glitch".

28 posted on 01/16/2014 3:22:39 PM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Orangedog; C210N

Yeah, well it’s far more likely Romney would have signed a repeal if a Republican House and Senate sent it to him than 0bama would. And then it would have been up to those bodies, not Romney, to pass something else. Either way, guess what we got today?

0bamacare. It’s not repealed, and those of you who think it will be are right, it will be repealed.

Right after they repeal the Social Security Act and the Medicare/Medicaid Act. My advice; don’t hold your breath on that.


29 posted on 01/16/2014 3:26:25 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Gen.Blather
Is the author a screaming liberal or is this fair and balanced reporting?

Well, he is the guy who wrote, "The Case for Bush Hatred," "More Reasons I Hate George Bush," and also "The Case for Obama: Why He Is a Great President. Yes, Great." So you can make up your own mind about him.

30 posted on 01/16/2014 3:43:31 PM PST by x
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To: henkster
Yeah, well it’s far more likely Romney would have signed a repeal if a Republican House and Senate sent it to him than 0bama would.

Right. Some of us paid attention to how the congressional GOPhers were walking back all that talk of repeal in the fall of 2012, floating things like "it would cause chaos if the mandate is repealed!" and "we'll leave the parts in place that make sense"....parts like the individual mandate. I've seen this ballet before. It starts off with a statist GOPher president and a statist GOP congress making government bigger and more intrusive. Kinda like when team blue is calling the tune, but only with what passes for conservatives barking "why do you hate a'murka?!" when denouncing The Decider's growth of fedgov. Zots and bannings abound. Same movie, different actors.

31 posted on 01/16/2014 3:45:19 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Gen.Blather

It comes across like a liberal pretending to be conservative. It’s another - but less charming way they lie.


32 posted on 01/16/2014 3:45:19 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: x

Oh, my goodness! You’re x? I’ve seen all of your films!


33 posted on 01/16/2014 3:46:23 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: GOPJ

It was on the ropes and now the GOPe wants to save it and “fix” it


34 posted on 01/16/2014 3:46:31 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Orangedog

I think the window was open, even if only a crack. You think the window was closed. It doesn’t matter.

It’s closed now.


35 posted on 01/16/2014 3:57:26 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: nickcarraway

Democrats never intended for Obama Care to work. They knew they were incapable of running anything that large, and they knew the Republicans were aware of their incompetence. The Democrats were sure the Republicans would stop them, thus leaving them without the responsibility of running something they were incapable of running but leaving them with the issue. What they didn’t realize was that the Republicans have become just as incompetent as are the Democrats.

Never forget that Democrats are Communists and Communists are ends justify the means liars. Democrats are masters of the lie, the double deal, the scam, the rigged election, and any trick they can use to stay in power, but they aren’t capable of running a legitimate business enterprise such as our country’s health care system and they know it.

When Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barry Soetoro passed Obama Care, they knew it was not only unworkable but it was unconstitutional and the Supreme Court would stop it, leaving the Democrats with the issue (“We tried to provide every American with affordable health care, and the mean old Republicans stopped us”). In the meantime, the Democrats rewarded a loyal Democrat with a billion dollar contract for a website that was never intended to come to fruition. They certainly didn’t expect John Roberts’ Supreme Court to leave them with the responsibility and not the issue.

Republicans stopping Obama Care was the issue the Democrats intended to use to rally their base for the 2012 election, and without it they had to use the Trayvon Martin shooting instead. “If I had a son,” and a few rigged elections barely pulled it off for them in 2012, but they were also counting on the ACA issue for 2014 and 2016, so now what are they going to use to rally their base? Not to worry, they’ll come up with something that’ll infuriate their “low information” electorate.

No, John Roberts didn’t do the Democrats a favor when he didn’t give them an “issue” but instead gave them the responsibility for doing something they were incapable of ever doing and never intended to do in the first place.

But what do I know? I’m just a tax payer.


36 posted on 01/16/2014 4:18:59 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: nickcarraway

Chait is dreaming on, thinking that Obamugabe’s Death Panel law is going to continue. She is wrong.

Listen carefully, Miss Chait: we will never, never, never, never, never, never, never stop until that piece of crap unworkable fascist garbage is gone. Out. Kaput. Obamugabe’s Death Panel law will be eliminated.

Your little fantasy is going to end, and freedom will eventually triumph. Guaranteed.


37 posted on 01/16/2014 5:39:07 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: nickcarraway

Tech-savvy young people won’t sign up for Obamacare because they don’t need it, don’t want to pay for it, and are terrified of the inevitable identity theft that would come from putting all of your private info onto a flawed site for all to see. And low-info young people won’t sign up because it’s a hassle and it ain’t free.


38 posted on 01/16/2014 5:40:46 PM PST by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Gen.Blather
is this fair and balanced reporting?

I couldn't get through that paragraphless piece of Chait.

But every conservative I've seen on the Fox panels and on the Larry Kudlow show (I know he's not a conservative but he does dislike Obama and Obamacare) seem to be conceding that nothing can be done.

Specifically they have been talking about the "bailout" which will be necessary to keep the insurance companies when the enrollment and the demographics don't pan out.

Apparently the insurance companies already have a tax-fueled slush fund that is supposed to get them through the first three years, no matter what.

And after that, if I understand the conversations correctly, it is written into the bill that taxpayers will continue to fund the insurers if their premiums etc. don't provide them with an agreed-upon return.

The two economists (or whatever) on Kudlow tonight were insisting that this was not a "bailout," it is simply part of the bill. And if Obamacare doesn't fund itself, then taxpayers will have to, no matter what.

On the Fox Report the other night Tucker Carlson (yes, I also know he is no movement conservative, but he is an enemy of Obamacare) ruefully stated that Rubio and others can pretend to try to roll back the bailout, but they will not do it, and know they cannot do it, because the health care system will crash without the funding.

And there are not enough conservatives in the congress to push matters to that edge and to have at the ready a workable alternative (including what we had before Obamacare).

That's what I have gathered, and it has had me in a rage for two days.

39 posted on 01/16/2014 6:01:33 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: nickcarraway

Upon reading this article, I cannot help but think about whose predictions regarding this law have been more correct; people like this writer or those that oppose the law?


40 posted on 01/17/2014 3:11:51 AM PST by LMAO ("Begging hands and Bleeding hearts will only cry out for more"...Anthem from Rush)
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