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Breakout: Lawmakers Enlist Powerful New Wage and Wealth Gap Warrior - The Pope
Yahoo! Finance | Matt Nesto

Posted on 01/07/2014 11:51:33 AM PST by justiceseeker93

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To: TexasFreeper2009
It's true if the form of economic activity you have seen up close and personal is "crony capitalism," where corporations have most of their decisions (hiring, firing, wages, prices) made for them by government agencies, a system of regulate-nudge-tax-punish-subsidize-bailout-decree, where the government squashes competition and picks the winners and the losers, like in Argentina, and I daresay....
21 posted on 01/07/2014 1:48:39 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of interest.)
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To: SamuraiScot; All
The problem with trying to achieve any kind of "social justice" as measured by income is that, once you get down to it, it requires you to commit individual injustice—stealing from someone simply because he has acquired wealth, even if he acquired it legally, ethically, fairly, and with diligent concern and generosity for his fellow-man.

Well put. The phrase "social justice" originated with Marx. The Biblical notion of justice is righteous justice.

22 posted on 01/07/2014 1:53:52 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93; Alex Murphy
In three short phrases, Pope Francis has once again taken the lead in advocating for economic justice and fairness.

Actually, taken by themselves those three short phrases could just as easily be interpreted to be advocating for Christian charity away from government influence.

The problem with this Pope is that he doesn't seem to come out and say that. He does, however, appear to side with left-liberal interpretations of charity, which is worrisome to conservative Catholics and conservatives as a whole.

Too often we hear how the Pope is mistranslated. I'd rather hear him come out and remind us all, in whatever languages necessary, that in John 21 Jesus is not talking to Pilate but rather to Peter, an admonition that the Christian is responsible for aid to the poor, not government.

23 posted on 01/07/2014 1:56:21 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Too often we hear how the Pope is mistranslated. I'd rather hear him come out and remind us all, in whatever languages necessary, that in John 21 Jesus is not talking to Pilate but rather to Peter, an admonition that the Christian is responsible for aid to the poor, not government.

That being the case, the Catholic spin on this ought to be that (ironically) the Pope himself is responsible for aid to the poor. Jesus did not say to Peter "please tell the others to feed My sheep"!

24 posted on 01/07/2014 2:08:13 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

Corporate indemnification is the root problem. Get rid of that, or at least minimize it as much as possible, and economics will balance itself. And I mean both private and government incorporation.


25 posted on 01/07/2014 2:28:31 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: justiceseeker93

The wealthiest areas in the country surround Washington, DC.


26 posted on 01/07/2014 2:31:26 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Alex Murphy

That would be true if the Rock upon which the Church was built was, in fact, Peter. But it wasn’t. The Rock is Christ, the Chief Cornerstone. Jesus was speaking to Peter as a follower, not as a leader.


27 posted on 01/07/2014 2:42:58 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
That would be true if the Rock upon which the Church was built was, in fact, Peter. But it wasn’t. The Rock is Christ, the Chief Cornerstone. Jesus was speaking to Peter as a follower, not as a leader.

I heartily concur!

28 posted on 01/07/2014 2:49:21 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Talisker
Corporate indemnification is the root problem. Get rid of that, or at least minimize it as much as possible, and economics will balance itself. And I mean both private and government incorporation.

What does that have to do with John 21?

29 posted on 01/07/2014 2:52:10 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: justiceseeker93
All of a sudden, we're being told that 'Rat policies and the Catholic Church are in sync with each other, the implication being that good Catholics must vote 'Rat in the upcoming election.

Well now, that is so true! Good thinking. Thanks.

30 posted on 01/07/2014 2:54:39 PM PST by uncitizen (Obama said 'period', but he meant 'asterisk'.)
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To: Moonman62
The wealthiest areas in the country surround Washington, DC.

Maybe not exactly the wealthiest areas, but it's obvious that the economy of the DC area has shown much more growth than the country in general. We all know that the obvious reason for this is the growth of the federal bureaucracy and the tax dollars that support it.

31 posted on 01/07/2014 3:00:37 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93; SamuraiScot; Arthur McGowan
The term "social justice" was coined in the 1840's, before Marx came in the scene, in the writings of an Italian Catholic priest named Luigi Taparelli (Link).

His major ideas are not at all compatible with class warfare, Marxism and statism. He said --- to cook it down to its essentials --- that society is not an "atomized" collection of individuals, but a complex of various levels of voluntary sub-societies, with individuals being members of these. These voluntary sub-societies (he called them "consortia") include, most importantly, families, then neighborhoods, parishes, municipalities, also guilds, trades and professions, social and benevolent societies.

Taparelli said each level of society has both rights and duties which should be recognized and supported. All levels of society should cooperate rationally and not resort to enmities and conflict.

His major ideas revolve around sociality and subsidiarity. Sociality (some say "solidarity") in a just society, each person finds some area of society in which he can make a productive, constructive contribution, and share in the fruits of nature and of labor. Subsidiarity means that all responsibilities should be assumed by the smallest or most local unit possible: individuals, heads of families, churches, partnerships, enterprises, guilds. Only when a task was too great for local efforts should larger organizations (the city, the state) assume the responsibility.

This is the sense (Taparelli's sense) in which the Catholic Church in its official documents usually uses the term "social justice." This is often misunderstood because the Marxists also took over the term "social justice" to mean, perversely, the opposite: class conflict, abolition of private initiative, and the takeover of everything by the centralized State.

We shouldn't let the Marxists take over the language.

Just an aside, in my entire lifetime the only Americans politicians I have ever heard using the all-important word "subsidiarity," were Bob Dornan and Paul Ryan. As for Ryan, it's been over a year since I heard him say it!

32 posted on 01/07/2014 3:39:39 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of interest.)
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To: Alex Murphy
What does that have to do with John 21?

Proper method.

33 posted on 01/07/2014 4:35:24 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

In which case, that’s two more politicians than bishops who have ever used the word “subsidiarity.”

I kid.

But if the bureaucracy of the USCCB has ever belched forth a statement on federal policy or spending that upheld the principle of subsidiarity, I am unaware of it.

Some months ago, my brother counted about 130 policy positions on the USCCB website. The only ones about which a Catholic is not free to disagree flatly are those dealing directly with abortion, euthanasia, cloning, fetal research, and the like. Every other position is dictated by a knee-jerk bias toward more federal spending and more federal power—and therefore wrong.

The USCCB has been, on the whole, for almost 100 years, a gigantic and monstrously expensive exercise in the abuse of episcopal authority (and prestige, if that is still possible) in the service of the Democratic Party. The only thing good that can be said about it is that its influence is minimal and growing more so. The mindless Leftism and the staggering spending go on.


34 posted on 01/07/2014 4:41:18 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: justiceseeker93

AND of course these progressives will listen to the pope when it comes to abortion and homosexuality.


35 posted on 01/07/2014 4:42:42 PM PST by Organic Panic
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To: ZULU

That’s true. But when the Church in the U.S. was officially anti-Communist, so was the Democratic Party (though, like the Church, riddled with Reds).

And when the Democratic Party in the U.S. became Communist, so did the bureaucracy of most dioceses. The apparatchiks of the bishops’ conference and most dioceses campaigned tirelessly in support of Communists throughout Central and South America and every propaganda initiative of the Soviet Union.

If the most Catholic U.S. President in our history (Reagan) had paid any attention to the recommendations of the Catholic bishops, the Soviet Union would still exist, and we might not.

When a local Catholic woman documented the numerous Kerry (i.e., baby-killer) bumper stickers in the employees’ parking lot of the USCCB, the bishops took decisive action. They posted a guard at the gate of the parking lot.


36 posted on 01/07/2014 4:52:21 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Colonel_Flagg

If Jesus intended to refer to Himself, and NOT Simon, as the “Rock,” why did He change Simon’s name to “Rock”?


37 posted on 01/07/2014 4:56:16 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: ZULU

But in the US the Catholic church has historically been solidly in the corner of whatever rat is running. Only Reagan was able to break through that barrier.


38 posted on 01/07/2014 4:57:53 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Only the laity supported Reagan. The bureaucratic Church, and many, many bishops, have always supported the Democrat.

Archbishop Roach of Mpls-St. Paul hugged baby-killer Mondale in 1984, declaring, “This is the real pro-life candidate. He’s against nuclear war.”


39 posted on 01/07/2014 5:14:23 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Around the world, bishops and bishops conferences are spouting Statism, and have been for most of the past century. In such a world, every time the Pope mentions the poor, hungry, etc., and FAILS to SPECIFY that he is not urging the growth of the State, he is urging the growth of the State. This is precisely what this thread is about. The Abortion Party is snuggling up the Pope, and he is not swatting them away.


40 posted on 01/07/2014 5:19:26 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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