Posted on 09/20/2013 4:29:03 AM PDT by spirited irish
If they are ravenous wolves bent on scattering the flock, masquerading as apostles of Christ, deceitful workers attempting to pervert the gospel, then we MUST do all we can to cut the ground from under them (II Cor. 11:12) and expose their lies with the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.
***That’s what brojoke has been doing. Jesus calls such false teachers ‘vipers’ and ‘sons of the devil’.
If we are talking about unbelievers, we are to speak the truth in love.
***I would characterize TL as a spiritually hardened unbeliever, someone who regularly pushes an atheistic point of view.
Hegewish Dupa is a jew who has said we shouldn’t even be allowed to proseletyze on FR.
***And where have I expressed such ideas on this thread, troll?
In your actions.
***Well, that’s an interesting response. It’s pure bowlsheet. I never expressed such ideas on this thread, you read into my posts some kind of intention that probably qualifies as a projection on your part. Get lost, troll. You may not like that Jesus strongly condemns false teachers as vipers and ‘sons of the devil’ but then it’s up to you to take it up with Jesus rather than uphold His followers to a higher standard than even He upheld.
Time for another prediction of your trolling actions on Free Republic.
You will not answer the thing put before you. When you say “it didn’t happen”, you are basically just engaging wishful thinking. You could easily tell all of us that you accept that Jesus is God Himself. But you won’t. Because not only is it antithetical to your obvious manifested beliefs, but it is also because you are a troll here on Free Republic. An accomplished and disciplined troll, yes; but a troll nonetheless.
And no doubt, you have a huge temptation to key up on the phrase “obvious manifested beliefs”. Because a troll like you doesn’t state simply and straightforwardly what your beliefs are, you tear down the conservative beliefs of others. That’s your modus operandi.
The way I/we know all this is because GOD told us through His word. People didn’t just make it up playing that “what if” game, God said it and it is why we CAN believe it and build our faith upon it.
So your faith is in the bible, not God... like I have said..
You’re not alone.. many worship the bible...
Some worship their “church”... others worship saints and artifacts.. etc..
So worshiping bible lore is quite normal...
Jesus never said read the bible.. but go to the Holy Spirit..
That takes faith to believe in and follow the Holy Spirit.. an “invisible friend”..
True the bible is visible tangible literal... like an idol.. so I understand that..
Following the Holy Spirit you have no need of bible lore..
except as entertainment...
for more than 1500 years since Jesus MOST people could not read.. or wanted to...
Seems to me a silly God would require reading anything to determine anything..
Would take a weak God for that....
Most people I know.. and have known treat the Holy Spirit as a doofus.. a go-fer..
I think the HS knows where your faith lies.. textual or in statutes, artifacts or amulets(totems)..
You know... is Not a doofus....... knows “whats happening”..
I come to the News and Activism forum to talk politics, not prosthelytize.
***Proselytizing is allowed on the News and Activism forum. Do you fancy yourself a moderator?
Finally someone selected a meaning for theos. So you see The Son of God as a god and created Being?
My faith is in God alone and, because it is, I know I can trust the sacred Scriptures HE commanded to be written and which HE preserves so that we can have an objective authoritative rule of faith to know truth from error. Lots of people think they are relying solely on the Holy Spirit, because they are trusting in their OWN feelings, however, we can know that when someone feels something is true the only way to KNOW if it is is to go to the objective and authoritative rule of faith, the Bible. It alone contains what holy men of God spoke as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit - that SAME Holy Spirit you seem to think didn't "need" to lead men to write.
If you want to trust in your own feelings or those of others whom you are convinced have the right feelings, then go ahead, you have that freedom to choose for yourself what master you follow. However, I also have that freedom and I have decided long ago that I can trust what God's word says because heaven and earth (those things you can feel) will pass away but His word will NEVER pass away. It remains the ONLY offensive weapon in the spiritual warfare going on all around us - the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God. Whether or not someone can read it doesn't change that fact.
John 17:17 "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth"
that SAME Holy Spirit you seem to think didn’t “need” to lead men to write.
I didn’t say that... the fact that you think I did say that exposes that you trust in filtered verbiage..
The Logos cannot be written down.. because the logos is a person..
The word of God is a person.. not mumblings.. grunts.. of human language...
You seem to filter words thru an agenda..
Which is better than nothing.. I contend there is something better..
Hey there! Hope you had a very happy and healthy Christmas!
Here's what you DID say and to which I responded:
Jesus never said read the bible.. but go to the Holy Spirit.. That takes faith to believe in and follow the Holy Spirit.. an “invisible friend”.. True the bible is visible tangible literal... like an idol.. so I understand that.. Following the Holy Spirit you have no need of bible lore.. except as entertainment... for more than 1500 years since Jesus MOST people could not read.. or wanted to...
Now that read every bit like you don't have much use for the Bible and that you mock those who do saying that it is like idol worship. Who has got an "agenda" here? I do hope you know the difference between the LOGOS (Jesus) and the word of God, because there are many places in Scripture where it is used to mean God's spoken as well as written word. I can point you to a word study on all those places if you'd like. Let me know. Cheers.
bb makes a post that's hard to disagree with and you seem to chastise her for it.There's tons of scripture related to why we should study them and there's also tons of folks attempting to make scripture subservient to traditions,imaginings of men,feelings etc etc
The sword of the spirit is the word of God,Jesus Himself said we would be sanctified by the truth and then added that "thy word is truth".So to be honest I can't blame bb for her stance and in fact I'm thankfull for it.
I'd never heard of Christians 'worshipping' the Bible until I came here to the RF.It's something I find very hard to fathom and ,rightly or wrongly,it always makes me think that's because some seem to feel they have something more to add or worse,it's an attempt to push the word aside.
Practically every page in God's word points me to God.To think that those who supposedly worship the bible then go on to empty idolatry is a contradiction.If they truly worshipped the book they'd be doing what it spells out very plainly yes?
I treat it as an empty statement and I think that God would be happy at what He knows I think of His written word.
Having said all that I still have the nagging feeling I'm not entirely following you.So in the spirit of family,please be gentle.8-)
God bless you and God bless you bb for your zeal for God's word.
BJK: when you research this particular passage, come to find out that one otherwise Trinitarian theologian, John Calvin, wrote:
“the ancients improperly used this passage to prove that Christ is of the same substance as the Father.
For Jesus does not argue concerning unity of substance, but speaks of his agreement with the Father, so that whatever is done by Christ will be confirmed by the Father’s power.”
And so, one-by-one, every Trinitarian proof-text which people like Kevmo might offer up is found not to say what they claim.
Spirited: You have not rightly comprehended the meaning intended by Calvin.
As the ancients were monists, which means they held to the idea of an impersonal Divine One Substance or Void with which everything in the universe was in continuity with, it was to be expected that as Calvin noted, they would use,
“this passage to prove that Christ is of the same substance as the Father.”
While the Father (the first Person of the Holy Trinity) and the Son (the second Person) are of the same essence the same is true of men.
While it may be said of two men that they are of the same substance with respect to the flesh (physical matter) within which their souls are fully embedded, yet they are not the same man, but one is one man, and the other another. For we do not say all men are one and the same person, which does not follow from their being of one fleshy substance and the same human nature, but rather that each man is a person with his own will and personality.
So it is that the Father and the embodied Son, while of the same spiritual essence are two distinct persons.
Kevmo, you lie. "The thing" put before me was the accusation that I've said "Jesus is not God", and it's is a flat-out lie. I've never said it.
You could easily tell all of us that you accept that Jesus is God Himself. But you won’t. Because not only is it antithetical to your obvious manifested beliefs, but it is also because you are a troll here on Free Republic. An accomplished and disciplined troll, yes; but a troll nonetheless.
Yes, we could all jump though your hoops on demand. But we don't. Deal with it.
Pity the soul who can look into the moonless, cloudless night sky, seeing the Milky Way spread from horizon to horizon, and not feel awe. Paul’s admonition early in the Letter to the Romans addresses that witness to God’s Creativeness. The Creation bears witness to the Creator.
Does "convert or I will spread lies about you" qualify as proselytizing? Looks more like extortion.
yes, evolution is satan’s massive attempt to create doubt about the existence of God. Fail.
I agree. When Jesus Christ was tempted by the devil, He clearly said “it is written.” Even the Messiah Son of God truly God and truly man quoted the written Words.
Practically every page in God’s word points me to God.To think that those who supposedly worship the bible then go on to empty idolatry is a contradiction.If they truly worshipped the book they’d be doing what it spells out very plainly yes?
What the bible plainly says is follow God.... not a graven image...
Is the bible “graven” or in “images”?.... i.e. or any book..
Looks like a slam “dunk” to me.. Lots of useful images out there but I use them not follow them.. When you follow textual images they become “dogma”... or even “totems”..
When does “text” become an “idol”...?.
It’s hard to say... but it does happen...
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