Posted on 09/20/2013 4:29:03 AM PDT by spirited irish
Over in the Religion forum you’ll see moderators tell people to “discuss the issues all you want, but don’t make it personal”. Do you find that irrational or confusing?
However, if I recall accurately, Alinsky did dedicate his work to Satan.
Sorry spirited, I almost entirely missed your post.
Precisely and well said, once upon a time, Christian religion WAS news in this country. Then the liberal loons decided to stomp their feet and whine like little girls that their feelings were hurt when they had to see Santa, or Jesus in a manger in public or be reminded in ANY way that they are mere specks in God’s creation and no where near as smart as they think they are. They simply didn’t want to be reminded of repercussions.
Over in the Religion forum you’ll see moderators tell people to “discuss the issues all you want, but don’t make it personal”. Do you find that irrational or confusing?
No.... but I dont have a religious bone in my personality..
So far it looks like an intentionally enimatic construct designed for agitprop. It might still have an exoskeleton, or just be made of cartilage like a shark.
So far it looks like an intentionally enimatic construct designed for agitprop. It might still have an exoskeleton, or just be made of cartilage like a shark.
No... it has a spirit... don’t have all that other stuff..
“you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.”- Blazing Saddles
So no bones at all, religious or otherwise.
So no bones at all, religious or otherwise.
I guess..... whatever that means...
It means that, faced with an apparent contradiction in your arguments, you coughed up some meaningless non-sequitur about “bones your personality”.
It means that, faced with an apparent contradiction in your arguments, you coughed up some meaningless non-sequitur about “bones your personality”.
The whole conversation is about stuff going over your head..
Jeese.. buy you books you eat the pages..
Now you’re down to insults. In your “Kabuki theater”, you’re the jester. The Joker, never quite serious but always prodding, poking, testing, looking for a sore spot or weakness. The other actors wait in the wings to come in and deal a death blow once it’s revealed.
There have been many. Perhaps most influential are: Einstein, Bohr, Schrödinger, Gödel, von Bertalanffy, Bauer, Shannon, Kahre, Yockey, Grandpierre, Kafatos, Rosen.
Those people say "all the really interesting, ground-breaking work in biology today is being conducted by physicists and mathematicians "?
Color me skeptical.
These people did not "say" that. They were mainly pointing out the limitations of classical physics — which presupposes a materialist, mechanistic view of the universe — with respect to problems in biology; and the failure of Darwinism to shed any light on the origin of life and mind.
Where did they point this out?
So who besides Betty Boop does says that "all the really interesting, ground-breaking work in biology today is being conducted by physicists and mathematicians ". Is this a supportable statement of fact, or just a personal opinion presented as fact?
I'm not stating anything as FACT. (Where did I ever claim to be doing such a thing?) I am dealing with entirely "open" questions, questions for which "science" so far does not seem to have any definitive answers.
And the reason "biological science" finds it difficult to engage such questions (assuming they're even acknowledged in the first place) is that it is stalled in the science of the mid-19th century.
We call it Darwinism, which is fundamentally premised in Newtonian mechanics. Which of course never heard a word about relativity or quantum mechanics.
Which, as it turns out, are relevant subject areas with respect to living organisms.... Biological organisms have physical basis. Though physics all by itself cannot answer the question, "What is life?," this something "extra" we call life assumes material form, and thus is in some degree subject to the physical laws.
Yet the organizational principle of living organism is not subject to the physical laws. THAT is the point I would most want to make, and to have you understand.
You're like Sergeant Joe Friday: "Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts." I can't give you "facts." But that doesn't mean that what I'm saying is just idle opinion.
Back to Plato here. He made the distinction between doxa ("opinion") and alethenes logos ("likely story").
In fourth-century-B.C. Athens, Doxa was the province of the philodoxer, the Sophist; alethenes logos, the province of the Philosopher, the greatest one of all being Socrates. Who lived in eternal enmity against the Sophist position, as faithful lover of Truth and Wisdom.
In the end, the Sophists destroyed Socrates. In a bizarre show trial, he was convicted by a jury of 500 of his fellow Athenian citizens (by only 27 votes) of "corrupting the youth of Athens," of impiety against the gods of the Polis. He was sentenced to death or exile — Socrates' choice. He chose death: He could not bear to be separated from his beloved Athens, which he had served as devoted citizen/soldier all his life. So he chose to drink the hemlock.
At the time of his death, Socrates' last words were:
SOCRATES: ...This, dear Crito, is the voice which I seem to hear murmuring in my ears, like the sound of the flute in the ears of the mystic; that voice, I say, is humming in my ears, and prevents me from hearing any other. And I know that anything more which you may say will be vain. Yet speak, if you have anything to say.Just before they dragged him away to prison to await the imposition of his sentence, Socrates' last words [in Plato's Apology] to his fellow Athenians, accusers, and the jury that found him guilty were these:
CRITO: I have nothing to say, Socrates.
SOCRATES: Leave me then, Crito, to fulfill the will of God, and to follow wither he leads.
The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways — I to die, and you to live. Which is better God only knows.According to the Crito, Socrates died with perfect composure, cheerfully, peacefully, surrounded by his nearest and dearest friends. Thus as far as he was concerned, he died a happy man.
By now, I feel reasonably certain that you are wondering what all this has to do with the price of tea in China!!!
All I can say is I find the story of Socrates eminently uplifting to my spirit, and agree with St. Justin Martyr that the Incarnation of Christ was the fulfillment, not only of the Patriarchs and Prophets of the Old Testament, but of classical philosophy as well.
And of course, all of modern day science is rooted in the insights of classical philosophy. The very foundations of logic and reason and natural law were laid down there.
But I digress. Must run for now. Thank you so much for writing, dear tacticalogic!
Then it's just your personal opinion, and when you say:
"It explains why all the really interesting, ground-breaking work in biology today is being conducted by physicists and mathematicians (information scientists). "
it simply means that you're only interested in the work being done by the physicists and mathematicians.
Now you’re down to insults. In your “Kabuki theater”, you’re the jester. The Joker, never quite serious but always prodding, poking, testing, looking for a sore spot or weakness. The other actors wait in the wings to come in and deal a death blow once it’s revealed.
Ah! the drama of it all is delicious... and you’re what... “a theater critic?”..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmE0oAtY5L4
Do the players leave the stage to go after the critics?
Do the players leave the stage to go after the critics?
Now that would be a novel play... by Chekhov....
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