Posted on 08/30/2013 12:02:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
This guy spells it out pretty clearly. I really do not see what the discussion is about. Citizens are either natural citizens or they have been naturalized. Of course then you have the tweeners who come here illegally and suck off the teat of the 45% of us earning a living.
Cruz has never admitted that he's a Canadian citizen. Your statement is false.
Cruz has never admitted that he's a Canadian citizen. Your statement is false.
I didn’t mischaracterize anything you said. When you insult someone I care about, you offend me also.
How’s that Obamacare SCOTUS ruling working out for you? How’s that Roe vs. Wade SCOTUS ruling working out for you?
How’s that Kelo SCOTUS ruling working out for you?
SCOTUS or Mark Levin can say the sky is purple it doesn’t change the truth.
He’s Canadian. You won’t even admit that. Too funny.
Your site. You get the last word. I’m done with this conversation.
I’m sorry — was that too hard of a question for you??
Why can’t you answer it???
Wiki says that he was born in Calgary, Alberta. Is that correct???
Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta Canada.
“Cruz has never admitted that he’s a Canadian citizen. Your statement is false.”
I guess that whole thing about being born in Canada is a figment of my imagination.
Your statement is laughable.
Ohhh give me a break -- what slop
You were deliberately trying to stir the flames.
We all saw it.
Yeah, sure. Right.
Not very well on ObamaCare. Not very well on Roe v Wade. And it won’t work out very well on Birthers, Inc. v Cruz, either.
He’s an American.
And, yes, it is my site. How nice of you to notice.
See you in the funny papers.
Well said Tau Food. However the poster still won't get your point. He apparently believes that foreign governments have an unalienable right to claim a person as a citizen.
Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta Canada. I guess that whole thing about being born in Canada is a figment of my imagination.
Being born in Canada and admitting Canadian citizen are of course two different things.
Your statement is laughable.
Yeah whatever, your statement remains false.
Iirc there was a residency requirement in 1790 or 1795 or both.
Yeah, it’s in the admitting of it that counts. LOL
If you don’t admit your pregnant then you are not pregnant.
That’s some grade A logic there.
“you are” not “your”
Darn grammar.
I don’t think my statement you quoted has been properly applied to the situation you cover in your post.
If a poster CLAIMS something by his reasoning - and that is all that happened which I was responding to - and doesn’t cite where the Constitution defines something specifically or a statute or a court decision - then it IS only their reasoning/belief and not adjudication.
You then cite a court decision that affirms Congress does have this power under the Constitution to set residency/age requirements, etc. Well, there you go. The poster was trying to say the opposite, that it wasn’t permitted because in his/her view it was extra-Constitutional.
Well, I fail to see what it was in my statement that wouldn’t fit within the framework of your comments, when my statement is properly applied.
I was speaking generally, trying to show that a person on the internet or any other venue that offers reasoning, or opinion, isn’t the law, whether speaking statutorally or Constitutionally or judicially.
I really wasn’t intending to say that nothing about that issue had ever been decided in a court case but was merely saying ***THAT POSTER’S belief/reasoning*** had not been lawfully established just by saying it.
And his/her belief was that it isn’t Constitutional, and he/she could hold on to that belief even in the face of a court case to the contrary. Because court decisions are the subject of endless debate as to whether a decision got it right or wrong, Constitutionally speaking.
But they themselves are not able to establish THEIR contrary view by coming here and expressing it but citing no case, nor quoting a Constitutional definition, etc.
That’s why I appreciate Cruz and others on his side of the NBC divide who quote statutes. They are trying to nail down something better than just, “I’ve always seen it this way, etc etc...’”
But then along comes someone who says, this statute goes too far, it isn’t according to the Constitution in my view. But can’t establish it.
Others will say the opposite, that the statute did not go anywhere near far enough in defining a natural born citizen because it didn’t demand being born inside a boundary line or two citizen parents.
And around and around we go.
I just know that Cruz himself has gone over and over this stuff, of course he has. As have many scholars and other legal types. The weight of the matter comes down on the NBC meaning of citizen by birth not by naturalization, far as I can see, and that’s actually what the debate is about here, rather than the tangential matters that do come up.
LOL. You're the one who first used the word.
I simply said your statement was false.
Here's what you said ---> "Even Cruz admits hes Canadian".
Here's what Cruz said --> "Assuming that is true, then sure, I will renounce any Canadian citizenship,"
Again your statement was false.
He stirred up the flames all by himself, darlin'.
Hes Canadian. But we dont want facts to upset the apple cart or anything. Surely, you can see that.If you see that as anything other than insulting Jim, feel free to elaborate. Or stick with making me the villain, that's cool too.i.e. ignorant of the facts
You might not care about it but logically, you really have to delude yourself.
i.e. delusional
Why cant people just be honest and say they dislike the clause. Its so tiresome to have to play this game. Twisted logic and rationalizations.
i.e. dishonest
The residency requirement was for naturalization. There was no residency requirement for a qualification for natural born citizen status. The residency requirement was changed from 14 years to five years. Nothing in either statute required that a mother must live in the US for any specific time before giving birth to a Citizen in a foreign country. All that was required is parental citizenship status at the time of birth.
the five year after the age of 14 requirement in place at the time of Obama's birth is inconsistent with the definition of an NBC as defined by the First Congress. Therefore, I don't believe the requirement was effective to deny Obams NBC status if, in fact, he was actually born in Kenya.
As far as legal expertise goes.... We have a congress full of lawyers who are supposed legal experts. However, most there appear use their expertise as a way to gain power, hide information and circumvent the constitution. Then there are all the legal expert judges who refuse to hear cases by making rulings that citizens who bring relevant actions to the courts lack standing. We have a president, himself a lawyer, (albeit with a surrendered law licence) surrounded by other lawyers who constantly deny citizens important information by hiding and sealing documents that you and I are required to show several times in our lives.
Yes, the legal experts.... I am sick of them.
I forgot which founder it was who said something to the effect that the constitution was written to be read and understood be regular people.
Thereby, regular people like you and I can read the words of our founding documents, and disagree with the legal experts.
Our founders were amazing and brilliant. Were they not?
As you know, I am one of those who think Cruz is not an NBC. However, like you, should he appear on the ticket, I will support him.
It is time to be pragmatic..... We need to win.
I believe that if we lose the next presidential election, we will lose our country.
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