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John Kerry Sure Made It Sound Like the U.S. Is Going to Bomb Syria
New York Magazine ^
| 8/30/2013
| Joe Coscarelli
Posted on 08/30/2013 11:23:08 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: bkepley
"The question is whether we we collectively what are we and the world going to do about it?" Every creep in the Hussein administration wants America to sacrifice itself for "the world." Screw them and screw "the world."
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posted on
08/30/2013 11:49:39 AM PDT
by
BenLurkin
(This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
To: nickcarraway
Kerry’s own Gulf of Tonkin.
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posted on
08/30/2013 11:55:53 AM PDT
by
Lexington Green
(2012 - It wasn't an election. It was a coup d'etat.)
To: skeeter
The 60s peaceniks are now spoiling for war.
As some hippie reprobate reportedly said at the Clinton Inauguration when the F-16's flew over, "Hey, Man, those are OUR airplanes now!"
To: Buckeye McFrog
As some hippie reprobate reportedly said at the Clinton Inauguration when the F-16's flew over, "Hey, Man, those are OUR airplanes now!" That was no hippie, that was the late Ron Silver, who totally changed his tune after 9/11.
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posted on
08/30/2013 12:02:30 PM PDT
by
dfwgator
To: skeeter
It is surreal. What in the hell is going on? I just can’t help but believe that this as something to do with Benghazi. Polls are saying over 80% of Americans are against intervention in Syria,, there isn’t a coalition, and Obama is risking serious blowback regarding unilateral war action. Whatever is going on ties into a desperate attempt to further the Benghazi coverup which must be so damning that this crowd is going all in. Interestingly, I think Graham and McCain are involved because McCain is acting rabid and insane.
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posted on
08/30/2013 12:11:28 PM PDT
by
Toespi
To: Toespi
EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack
Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.
By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013
This article is a collaboration between Dale Gavlak reporting for Mint Press News and Yahya Ababneh.
Ghouta, Syria As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last weeks chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.
Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.
The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assads guilt was a judgment
already clear to the world.
However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.
My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry, said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.
Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a tube-like structure while others were like a huge gas bottle.
Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.
Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regimes heartland of Latakia on Syrias western coast, in purported retaliation.
They didnt tell us what these arms were or how to use them, complained a female fighter named K. We didnt know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.
When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them, she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.
A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named J agreed. Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material, he said.
We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions, J said.
Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.
The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.
More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.
Saudi involvement
In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandars role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.
Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.
Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russias naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russias Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord, Ingersoll wrote.
I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us, Bandar allegedly told the Russians.
Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise, Ingersoll wrote.
Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy, he added.
According to U.K.s Independent newspaper, it was Prince Bandars intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies in February.
The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA realized Saudi Arabia was serious about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.
They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldnt: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout, it said.
Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabias top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.
To that aim, Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan. The newspaper reports that he met with the uneasy Jordanians about such a base:
His meetings in Amman with Jordans King Abdullah sometimes ran to eight hours in a single sitting. The king would joke: Oh, Bandars coming again? Lets clear two days for the meeting, said a person familiar with the meetings.
Jordans financial dependence on Saudi Arabia may have given the Saudis strong leverage. An operations center in Jordan started going online in the summer of 2012, including an airstrip and warehouses for arms. Saudi-procured AK-47s and ammunition arrived, WSJ reported, citing Arab officials.
Although Saudi Arabia has officially maintained that it supported more moderate rebels, the newspaper reported that funds and arms were being funneled to radicals on the side, simply to counter the influence of rival Islamists backed by Qatar.
But rebels interviewed said Prince Bandar is referred to as al-Habib or the lover by al-Qaida militants fighting in Syria.
Peter Oborne, writing in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday, has issued a word of caution about Washingtons rush to punish the Assad regime with so-called limited strikes not meant to overthrow the Syrian leader but diminish his capacity to use chemical weapons:
Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war, who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side. While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them.
It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a U.N. commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.
Some information in this article could not be independently verified. Mint Press News will continue to provide further information and updates .
Dale Gavlak is a Middle East correspondent for Mint Press News and has reported from Amman, Jordan, writing for the Associated Press, NPR and BBC. An expert in Middle Eastern affairs, Gavlak covers the Levant region, writing on topics including politics, social issues and economic trends. Dale holds a M.A. in Middle Eastern Studies from the University of Chicago. Contact Dale at dgavlak@mintpressnews.com
Yahya Ababneh is a Jordanian freelance journalist and is currently working on a masters degree in journalism, He has covered events in Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Libya. His stories have appeared on Amman Net, Saraya News, Gerasa News and elsewhere.
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posted on
08/30/2013 12:12:04 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Toespi
"What in the hell is going on? "
This is
"what's going on" .
The ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF is allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to KILL CHRISTIANS in Syria, and take over another country.
It really is a
"more progressive, blood lust".
Little do they know that they are fulfilling
what our Heavenly Father said would happen.
Yet they are seeing the
Greater Exodus happening before our eyes,
and
most either are too involved in their "day-to-day lives", or they just don't want to see, that
what God SAID would happen ... IS happening now. Hussein of America is INTENTIONALLY DESTROYING AMERICA, from the inside out.
The
Muslims are guilty of the chemical attack, not the Christians, and the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF knows it.
But the
ARAB-
KENYANand MUSLIM defiling the Oval Office doesn't care.
Barack Hussein Obama II,
(a.k.a. Barry Soetoro) just want to turn Syria into another Muslim Brotherhood run country, and kill Christians.
It's just that simple!
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posted on
08/30/2013 12:16:01 PM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: jimbo123
Obama realizes this is his last change to provoke Iran into attacking Israel to draw them into this mess.
DING! DING! DING!
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posted on
08/30/2013 12:39:38 PM PDT
by
Old Yeller
(Who am I to judge homosexuals? That's what the Tony Awards are for.)
To: nickcarraway
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posted on
08/30/2013 12:56:33 PM PDT
by
GnL
To: skeeter
The 60s peaceniks are now spoiling for war. Its surreal. What could be next? Indeed! About the only thing I'm sure of is that they will f**k it up and the situation will be even more of a mess.
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posted on
08/30/2013 1:36:20 PM PDT
by
Rummyfan
(Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
To: nickcarraway
I believe that it will happen. It is just a matter of time until it happens. Obama is going to have to do something or Assad will beat his cohorts, the muslim brotherhood. What happens after that is anybody’s guess.
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posted on
08/30/2013 1:44:04 PM PDT
by
sport
To: All
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posted on
08/30/2013 1:44:56 PM PDT
by
musicman
(Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
To: nickcarraway
I would put Assad’s character up beside Kerry’s any day.
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posted on
08/30/2013 1:45:15 PM PDT
by
sport
To: nickcarraway
Kerry and Madam Kerry having dinner with the evil WMD villian, Assad, 2009.
![](http://media1.policymic.com/site/articles/61185/1_photo.jpg)
In the meantime, this awkward photo of Secretary of State John Kerry and his wife dining with the Assads in 2009 has gone viral amidst Kerry's harshest criticism of the Syrian government to date. Describing the government's use of chemical weapons against civilians as a "cowardly crime" and a "moral obscenity," Kerry said, "There must be accountability for those who would use the world's most heinous weapons against the world's most vulnerable people."
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posted on
08/30/2013 1:45:45 PM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
( Obozo Liar and his thugs in his outhouse lie 24/7/365. They are unable to tell the truth.)
To: nickcarraway
>>>As Kerry called Bashar al-Assad “a thug and a murderer,”<<<
Is it a new normal for a diplomat to call a foreign elected leader like that?
To: tennmountainman
This evidence coming from the NSA and CIA who know NOTHING about Benghazi, but everything about Assad?Let alone the Boston Bombers. If NSA can't even protect the homeland, then what good are they? They've collected records of all my emails and phone calls, and to what good?
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posted on
08/30/2013 5:23:57 PM PDT
by
kevao
(Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
To: kevao
Yep. Clapper, head of NSA got caught lying to congress about domestic data collection.
I don’t trust a word about this Syrian intel.
To: Yosemitest
>>>Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russias naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russias Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord, Ingersoll wrote.
I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us, Bandar allegedly told the Russians.<<<
Not realistic at all. Not even a Saudi prince can live another year after threats like that.
To: cincinnati65
Does anybody recall the clear and compelling proof of poison gas attacks by Sadam Hussein against the Kurds, and the endless outcry from the liberal democrats about Bush’s war for “no reason”? Talk about short memories....
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posted on
08/30/2013 7:11:53 PM PDT
by
WVNan
To: nickcarraway
Obama won't bomb, the NSA/CIA will obfuscate and John effing Kerry will be transformed into an international scape goat.
I'll bet he resigns for 'personal' reasons by the end of the year and Susan Rice takes over at State.
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posted on
08/31/2013 6:41:52 AM PDT
by
mac_truck
( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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