Posted on 08/05/2013 2:47:03 PM PDT by Kazan
Did the lib Spies infiltrate again?
Did that prosecution of Killer Tiller put him in jail? Fine him substantially? Put him out of business?
How many abortions would have been approved by the bills that Judy Brown opposed? Can a pro-lifer logically attack her for her consistent refusal to support the killing of any babies even to arguably save others?
I am not insulting the NRTLC. I am simply telling the truth about them and their lethargic and useless and expensive do-nothing permanent bureaucracy and to their footstools that looks like insults. They are what they are and no outside force made them what they are.
A prime purpose of any pro-life group should be to make abortion and other takings of innocent life sooooo unthinkable that the group can soon fold its tent after a job of societal transformation well done. No danger of that with NRTLC.
We don't need sell-out groups that are willing to sit down with Planned Barrenhood to seek "common ground" to make abortion "safe, legal and rare" (read: "safe, legal and as common as ever since Roe vs.Wade").
NRLTC is not into direct action? Indeed. NRLTC isn't into any meaningful action at all. Fifty year service pins, gold watches, self-congratulation for being sort of "pro-life" but moderate, above all moderate lest their fellow denizens of the DC cocktail party circuit be offended. If they were more militant, then John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, et al., would get together over their afternoon libations and have a good cry. We simply cannot be seen as "extremists," now can we? Or seen as actually believing what we say we believe and acting accordingly?
I most certainly do NOT (hey my caps lock works too!) want NRLTC to agree with me or anyone else. I want them to dissolve and go straight to hell where the NRLTC belongs. Until it does, I want NRLTC to continue its status quo, making it easier to isolate and target and replace.
NRLTC qualities. Largest? Maybe, but the Demonrat Party is larger. Hell, the GOP-E is larger and both of those are avid abortion cheerleaders. I tend to think that the Roman Catholic Church alone is a lot larger and better funded, etc., but have it your way. I belong to the Knights of Columbus which is also far larger and quite pro-life. Other pro-life churches could make the same claim, but again, have it your way.
Richest? Again, maybe but the success of a pro-life group is to be found in the number of babies saved. NRLTC has saved darned few. If, as one reasonably suspects, the NRLTC types are comatose in having "moderation" as their highest priority and thereby avoiding consequences like arrest or civil actions (to say nothing of the social disapproval meted out by PP and NARAL types, Junior Leaguers and polo players) on the way to the fifty-year pin and the gold watch, they can more easily pad the old corporate coffers and executive comforts of "sort of fighting the anti-christ in style." So what?
Most powerful? If so, why were 55 million innocent babies sliced, diced and hamburgerized on NRLTC's watch while they produced press releases and fund-raising letters and little else? If one agreed with you that NRLTC is somehow the premier "pro-life" group in the US since Roe vs. Wade, then NRLTC bears the responsibility for the manifest failure of its efforts, if any. If Mitt Romney is comfy with NRLTC, why should actual pro-lifers be comfy with it???? NRLTC is an organization of "tames" who always seek never to offend our social and political enemies who keep the abortion mills rolling.
NRLTC has nothing to be jealous of. To be jealous of NRLTC would make no more sense than being jealous of Paris Hilton's Madonna's chastity, or of Hillary Clinton's patriotism or of Schmuckie Chewmer's fiscal conservatism. You cannot sensibly be jealous of that which does not exist. NRLTC is an ineffective cypher serving as a minor distraction to pro-lifers until they individually catch on to NRLTC's ineffectiveness.
Projection? In addition to being an ineffective propagandist for NRLTC, you are also posing as an amateur psychologist? Have fun!
Ex-US Senator Lowell Weicker might well beg to differ with you. Half of Connecticut's Demonrat Party voted for Weicker. We delivered two-thirds of the GOP vote for Lieberman (a far better human being). After we rid the nation of the worthless SOB Weicker, he came back two years later to become governor in a three-way race as an independent. We suffered him for four years as governor during which he imposed the first general state income tax which survived a major taxpayer's rebellion but Weicker was toast thereafter. We never had to deal with LoLo again. Would that you could have disposed of Sebelius as efficiently!
1070 of 1100 arrested "Rescuers" in Connecticut, most arrested for felony burglary and/or felony criminal mischief and/or resisting arrest enjoyed the dismissal of all charges or, in a handful of cases, outright acquittals, and most of the remaining thirty were convicted of "simple trespass" which was the legal equivalent of a parking ticket and about seven were jailed at a totally minimum "security" institution where the gates to the outside world were unlocked and the prisoners generally unsupervised (it was like a college dorm) for a term of about ten days, or as we thought of it, they were on retreat for ten days, enjoying one another's company.
But, again, have it your way.
As to focus, I answer your claims, point by point. You cannot claim the same as to your responses to mine. Now, go take a long nap and dream of the false NRLTC idol.
Judy Brown has blood on her hands.
The pride and arrogance and ignorance of Judy Brown has prevented us from passing many laws, and delayed the passage of many laws, which would have saved countless lives.
Judy Brown is an idiot.
We can not make all abortions illegal, as the public does not support that action at this time.
We can make 95% of abortions illegal, if we can enact laws that support current public opinion on the matter.
Yes, every child is a human being, born or unborn.
However, the public supports laws that would make 95% of abortions illegal. The public will demand “rape, incest and life of the mother” exceptions to any ban.
That is a fact. We can’t get a law passed that does not grant some exceptions. (Not to mention the Courts at all at this point.)
You win wars by making it impossible for your enemy to fight any more. We must destroy the ability of our opponent to win at the ballot box, or in court.
Reduce the number of abortions, and the abortion industry will have less and less and less power.
Judy Brown is too stupid to understand this point.
The ONLY “PRINCIPAL” that matters is: DEFEAT THE ENEMY!
Any law the enemy fights is probably a pretty good idea to enact! Anything that reduces the number of Millionaire abortionists in this country is very good politically and legally.
Did William Wilberforce hang out at Parliament playing "Let's Make a Deal" with the slaveholders and their MPs? "If you will free 10% today, I will leave you alone for a decade?" I am no fan of John Brown but did he take that approach on slavery as he helped make Kansas bleed? Did Aimee Semple McPherson negotiate an increase in corn produced in direct proportion to whatever concessions might be made to her agenda? Did Jesus Christ negotiate how many money-changing tables would be OK at the Temple or did he drive their proprietors out with a bullwhip and overturn their tables? But, hey, they were, like Judy Brown, "extremists." What respectable country club RINO would have anything to do with such troublemakers?
Ooooh, all that controversy and complicated reasoning just makes their heads hurt down at the Junior League. It is all tooo much for Muffy and Skipper.
We can't make all abortions illegal????? How many abortions are OK with you and the mushball NRTLC????
Maybe we can enact a ban of abortions involving mothers who have used their Singer sewing machines during the previous month? Or allow (like Ireland just shamefully did) any abortion where the mother meets the strict test of threatening to commit suicide if she cannot get her abortion and is willing to stamp her feet and maybe even hold her breath until she turns blue? After all, we MUST be reasonable and moderate. Or maybe abortions might be "legally" allowed on alternate Thursdays when the wolfbane (or the sunflower in Kansas or the cherry blossoms near NRLTC's HQ in DC) is in bloom. What would the pro-aborts offer for that concession? When Yale Medical School had set up several psychiatrists to evade Connecticut's tough old pro-life statutes of the pre-Roe vs. Wade (i.e., moral era) by signing off on affirming that Yalies' girlfriends were going to commit suicide over not getting those abortions ("threat" to the life of the mother), Yale provided the "doctors" with fill-in the blank, mark the box forms to step up the efficiency of the approval of the killing.
If it were not for the hard line taken by Judy Brown and Nellie Gray and others like them (and verrrrrry unlike the quislings of NRTLC), no one would pay the slightest attention to NRLTC and their ilk, crawling around on hands and knees and begging forgiveness for breathing when dealing with their political masters and mistresses at PP and NARAL who regularly beat the NRTLC like a rented mule.
Each year another 1.5 million butchered by surgery alone, each decade another 15 million. Like Stalin once said: one murder is a tragedy but millions of murders become a mere statistic. This is the banality of NRLTC and its permanent political opportunism and moral coma. But you just keep on insulting the actual pro-lifers who refuse to compromise. We understand your strategy and qualities. We have moved on to do what must be done which necessarily will not include the NRTLC types who are too busy playing "Let's Make a Deal" over the babies' dead bodies.
If you ever imagine that you, according to your "strategy," have "won" whatever you may mean by that term, be sure and let everyone know. Meanwhile, we will pursue principle.
With "enemies" like the morally supine NRLTC types, Planned Barrenhood and NARAL will never really have much need for friends. OTOH, they ought not look over their shoulders because something is definitely gaining on them and it certainly isn't the NRTLC and its ilk.
I don't post much on pro-life threads although I am totally supportive. My time and energy is spent attempting to change the culture. And....A prime mover in shaping our nation's death eating culture is our nation's Marxist-run and godless socialist-entitlement schools.
The ProLife movement is like a sea salmon constantly striving to swim upstream against the cultural current. What if we could change the current? What if instead of disgorging armies of new voters every year who were trained to think and reason godlessly in their godless schools, what if we had armies of new voters who, instead, were educated within a God-centered worldview?
Perhaps we would achieve an abortion-free nation sooner rather than later if the godless government indoctrination camps were shut down and every child ( who managed to survive the abortion butchers) had access to God-centered education that valued life. What if every child in this nation could access an education that taught them to see all humans, even the most microscopic, as sons and daughters of God and their spiritual brothers and sisters?
It is my belief that nearly all parents would choose a truly God-centered and Judeo-Christian based education that upheld our nation's Founding principles, if they could choose this for their children.
What a difference that would make when it came to choosing ProLife legislators at the polls.
One more thing:
Why would God save this nation?
1) Abortion;
Millions of Christians and conservatives can show up for a Chick-fil-A but somehow can’t figure out a way to end abortion? Really?
2) Teaching children who survive abortion to think and reason godlessly. Our nation’s precious children **must** just to cooperate in their godless and Marxist-driven classrooms. This is evil! Yet, in many counties and states the entire evil system would completely collapse if Christians and conservatives did just one thing! Removed their precious children!
I am not very hopeful about the future of this nation because Christians and conservatives a busy digging its grave. One of the reasons I haven’t been very active recently on the Internet forums is that I think turning this nation around is now almost hopeless. Too many are not past feeling.
OTOH, my Savior and yours liveth! He will always live and so long as He lives, there is hope. Therefore, there is always hope. Don't let the Fallen One grind down your virtue or your resolve or even deceive you in his capacity as father of lies.
Jesus Christ plus anyone is a majority and a necessary majority to accomplish anything. Besides, we went to the end of the Book and we know that He wins. It is not a question of whether but of when.
In some very vital ways, removing children from the gummint skewels is at the top of the wish list. When God entrusts us with children, He does not do so to enable us to turn over those children to PS 666 and its curriculum of evil, shored up by expensive entertainments (football, basketball, trips to Europe at taxpayer expense, etc.). The opportunity to join the marching band does not justify exposing the kiddies to "Heather Has Two Mommies" or fisting or "Daddy's Room Mate." God does not give us daughters so that PS 666 can zip them off to abortion mills so that Mommy and Daddy won't even know and there will be no social consequences (at least none that are obvious to the peer group).
Such schools are certainly godless but you give them too much credit by far when you suggest that the inmates are taught to think or to reason at all.
As ever, Ma'am, may God continue always to bless you and yours.
As the sea salmon struggles to head upstream, our enemies are busy effectively poisoning the river. Again, with Christ all tings are possible. His plans have just gotta be better than yours or mine or anyone else's. We just have to learn to obey Him faithfully. Then the victory is His!
God bless.
Yet another reason I prefer the simple moniker anti abortion
Pro life steers off the road and into the PC ditch far too easy
George Tiller's lobbyist, and the ALL, Judy Brown Kansas director, were photographed on the SAME table at the SAME side of the debate on the Kansas Parental Notification law!
Judy Brown has BLOOD on her hands. Judy Brown is pro-Judy Brown and her own ignorant ego!
You win political fights the way you win in combat: You take away the enemies ability to wage war.
Judy Brown has been given countless chances to harm the pro abortion political machine economically. Instead, her stupid EGO gets in the way.
Judy Brown is an idiot.
The majority of the prolife movement sides with the NRLC, the National Right to Life Committee.
The question before the committee is the passage or defeat of a legislative bill on the question of both limiting abortion AND guaranteeing its availability on a limited basis.
At table #1, we have the opponents: Judy Brown who wants to outlaw each and every abortion as the murder that each and every abortion clearly is. She will not approve of ANY abortion. Also, at that table, we find the late George "Killer" Tiler of Wichita who does thousands of abortions per year and is one of the few babykillers to do third trimester abortions. He also has an allegedly Christian minister on his payroll to do funerals for the abortees to make his co-conspirator "moms" feel more comfortable. Both Brown and Tiller want the bill defeated, each for hwer or his verrrrry different reasons. You and the spaghetti-spined NRTLC windtunnels would call both Brown and Tiller "extremists" as though there were no difference in their reasoning.
Over here at Table #2 we have Kansans "for Life" and the National Right to "Life" Committee which are both chanting: Let's make a deal! Let's make a deal! Let's make a deal!
Killer Tiller, having been subjected to a very late post-natal .45 caliber abortion, is no longer at table #1 but I feel sure that he will be replaced by someone less politically savvy. Judy Brown will NOT make a deal that throws away a single life as an "acceptable" abortion. NRLTC will make ANY deal that will help them raise funds from the gullible as though they were actually pro-life.
The majority of those who sit around their living rooms patting themselves on the back for their pro-life "feelings" and undoubted religious piety may well support NRLTC and waste money on contributing to the utterly useless and incapable NRLTC. The actual activists who look Satan in the face down at the mills know the score and support Judy Brown instead of the poseurs at NRLTC.
You can have the last word. No one is still in the audience and you aren't about to adjust your inanity to reflect reality. Therefore nobpurpose in further discussion. Will you be helping New Jersey Fats to be the GOP's next nominee when he CLAIMS to be "pro-life" because above all ya just gotta be "moderate."
FACT:
THE NLRC HAS PREVENTED MILLIONS OF ABORTIONS!
FACT:
THE “ALL OR NOTHING” APPROACH TO POLITICS LEAVES ALL WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR ITS EGOTISTICAL AND PRIDEFUL EFFORTS!
FACT:
JUDY BROWN IS AN IDIOT
FACT:
GEORGE TILLER WAS PROSECUTED UNDER LAWS THAT JUDY BROWN FOUGHT AND OPPOSED!
BTW, aren't you late for your therapy appointment or your anger management class? Or maybe a Kumbaya get together to seek "common ground" with Planned Barrenhood?
In a shooting war, it is not immoral to make sacrifices, not everyone can survive, some will have to die for the greater good. Not because commanders want them to die, but because it is not possible to protect everyone in a shooting war. The same is true in a natural disaster, “triage” practices dictate that priorities must be set, since there are limits to what any individual, group or institution can do to help.
You are an armchair critic who has accomplished nothing. It is easy to take shots at the doers and thinkers and movers in society from the safety of your arm-chair. And BTW you presumptuous ass, I helped defeat many Establishment Republicans in my lifetime, in many very heated primary races.
Again, you have apparently done NOTHING but complain and try to make yourself feel superior. You aren’t, and the majority of the prolife movement does not agree with Judy Brown or you.
Take your amateur dime-store psychology and put it where it belongs and where the sun shineth not.
Other people's lives are NOT yours to sacrifice, nor NRLTC's, and that is the issue. If you think the NRLTC uberwimps are engaged in a shooting war, then recognize that you have become legends in your own minds. The rest of us will not imagine you to be the legends you imagine when you have so verrrrry little to show for forty or more years of NRLTC feckless uselessness and compromise of principle in the name of moderation uber alles.
When a group, NRLTC, limits its ambitions on the baby-killer front and makes compromises reflexively at the drop of a Planned Barrenhood cliche, that is what dictates limits to to what NRLTC can do to help: damn little and damn seldom, if ever. You are to "pro-life" what John Boehner is to conservatism.
Armchair critic??? As an attorney, I represented a total of 1100 pro-lifers in Connecticut who did not waste time lobbying intransigent pro-death legislators, issuing press releases, posing on state capitol steps or those of Congress or publicly tsk-tsking over trivia. Those that I represented went straight into the jaws of the abortion mills, occupied the killing chambers for seven or more hours on baby-killing days, broke raw eggs and poured them into the suction machines requiring same to be rebuilt, saved substantial numbers of babies from death (unlike the NRLTC "moderate" half vast politicos), gave an effective pro-life witness, effectively and efficiently defied the courts and all but thirty evaded conviction of any sort and the overwhelming majority of those were convicted of the legal equivalent of a parking ticket (which they refused to pay).
The majority of what you please yourself to call the "pro-life movement" has failed to save any babies at all. Nor would most have the slightest clue as to "shooting war." An exception would be effective sidewalk counselors. I represented them as well.
Oh, and that was in Connecticut in the liberal Northeast, not on the conservative plains of Kansas.
Judy Brown has actual principles. You don't.
Finally, you continue to make the obvious mistake of hallucinating that I give a damn what you or anyone like you may believe, "think," or imagine. Be happy with your eventual fifty-year pin for "trying" because it is a lead pipe cinch that your approach and that of NRLTC poses no threat to baby-killing and only serves to institutionalize it further by playing "Let's Make a Deal!!!" with the Planned Barrenhood enemy.
Now go and titillate the peace-loving "moderate" bluehairs, encourage them to pat themselves on the back for thinking the right thoughts while doing nothing and to pull out their well-padded "pro-life" checkbooks and further fund the futility of NRLTC and its sorry ilk, and stop wasting my time.
Your effectiveness can only go as high as the glory you rest on does. Sooner or later, if it is pride, it will topple; it will turn out to be some showy stunts that really didn’t achieve anything in the long run. But if it is the glory of God then nobody can stop it.
Since they had nothing to hide or to be ashamed of, I saw to it that each had a maximum opportunity to state their views, proclaim their actions state their individual reasons, and to testify in open court before judges and juries whenever there was a trial.
According to no less an authority than the Alan Guttmacher Institute (Planned Barrenhood's tax exempt research and propaganda arm), on Rescue days, fully one out of three babies scheduled to be killed by abortion survived to be born. Each individual life, lovingly formed by God in the womb, survives for perhaps 75 years on average, free to know love and serve God in this world and to be happy with Him forever in the next.
Whenever the babies were saved, those who saved them spent a few days in jail and 1/3 of the babies lived to be born. In the largest incident in Connecticut, about 260 Rescuers were arrested and spent at most, 30 days in jail pre-trial. Typically, at least 30 abortions were scheduled at that mill on any killing day. That means, on average, ten babies lived or will live 75 years or so, which is 900 months each or 9000 months of life. Rescuers in jail: 300 months total, at worst. If we only look at the numbers, that is a very practical deal.
But numbers are not anywhere near as important as other considerations. In his Epistle, St. James teaches us that works are the fruit of our Faith. Although works are said to be not necessary to our individual salvation, that does not mean that God does not want those works to be performed. Clothe the naked. Visit the prisoner. Feed the hungry. Give drink to the thirsty. Save the fatherless. When we perform these works for the least of our brethren (the unborn?), we perform them for Him.
It is our privilege to perform corporal works of mercy in conformance with His will. We do not seek glory. The glory is His.
If I have suggested otherwise on this thread, it is because I get quite worn out with apologies made for groups like NRTLC that yak a lot and accomplish little or nothing. While Rescuers acted and saved babies, NRLTC and its affiliates hid in the corner, carefully avoiding any show of support lest they seem anything other than "moderate." Too bad for them, they missed a great opportunity to be part of a real pro-life movement with real accomplishments.
St. Paul was no moderate. Nor were the apostles nor the martyrs. Nor was/is your Savior and mine.
May God bless you and yours!
Well just remember the glory of God wherever you go. It ain’t just icing on the cake, something God put on to make it pretty. It’s the cake itself! And it is the ultimate demon repellent.
That’s the center to which I would call ANY Christian ministry no matter if it is doing spectacularly or even mediocre. We’re not supposed to get into comparison games against one another. That deflects glory from where it belongs, too. The ones doing the best should work to pull the rest UP... not hammer DOWN at them. There will always be some spiritual problem behind some problem that manifests itself as human methodologies. Always, always, always. In general I have made it my rule: smack Satan, not people. Be as kind as possible to people consistent with the mission.
I suggest for you the serenity prayer:
“Lord, give me the Serenity to accept the things that I can not change.
The courage to change the things I can
And the wisdom to know the difference.”
You lack wisdom and humility. You also lack honesty. MILLIONS Of abortions have been prevented by legislation supported by the National Right to Life Committee.
If a sidewalk counselor sees TWO pregant women walking towards the abortion clinic, which mother should the counselor focus upon?
Does this mean that she WANTS the other baby to be aborted?
You are an arrogant and hateful man if you answer “yes”.
You are a huypocrite if you answer “no”.
I see that your caps lock is now unstuck but that you are still on auto-insult as your method of "reasoning." Go play in traffic on your nearest interstate.
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