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There's another belief, and that's the belief of our Founding Fathers and all American patriots. ObamaCare is unconstitutional and unAmerican. Obviously and for good reason, the constitution does not authorize the federal government to be in the health care business or the insurance business. Yeah, all Americans would have to be FORCED to be included in such a program because no sane person would voluntarily enter into a self-defeating contract. If allowed to stand, ObamaCare will destroy both the free economy and the healthcare system. Communism never works. If you think it's hard getting health care while being poor (only one car, one TV, one ObamaPhone) in a free country where at least the emergency rooms don't turn you away, just wait until you're dirt poor in a communist country. Good luck in any illness, much less an emergency.

Central planners be damned! America should remain a free country and health care should remain as a free enterprise market-driven system. We already have the best health care system in the entire world!

1 posted on 08/03/2013 1:43:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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>"For Obamacare to Work, Everyone Must Be In" a grave, body bag, or just lying out in the open.

The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force. JQA

32 posted on 08/03/2013 2:12:40 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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That’s the Obama Democrats - putting the “total” into totalitarianism!


33 posted on 08/03/2013 2:13:41 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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Everyone to the rice fields!


36 posted on 08/03/2013 2:19:05 PM PDT by kabar
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The flaw in their thinking is that, even if everyon pays the same, they will not have access to the same quality of care.

The "rich" will still get access to the best doctors, while the poor will have to wait in line at their local hospital.

Unless Obama plans on busing the "doctors of the rich" into the inner city, and busing the "affirmative action" doctors to the suburbs, nothing will change regarding the quality of care that the rich receive.

-PJ

38 posted on 08/03/2013 2:22:23 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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Obama was truthful on this. He said in very beginning that he favored a univeral, single payer system. He also said this Obamacare was only the first step to reach his goal.

In five years, this the only thing on which he spoke the truth.


40 posted on 08/03/2013 2:26:49 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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Every socialist ever spawned comes to the inevitable conclusion that there can be no escape, because people who are offered freedom tend to prefer it, and will even die to attain it. This particular individual is another sad demonstration of why you generally only find Marxist economists on campus - everywhere else, they're fired when their theories fail.

The current critique from the Left of America's health care system is that "only" the wealthy get the highest quality care, which is demonstrably untrue but that never stopped a Leftist from shouting it anyway. The system they're proposing to address this "economic injustice" will cost everyone more, lower the quality of care overall, place a great deal of power in the hands of those who ration it, and make the very highest quality of care available only to privileged classes, which tend to be - well, what do you know? - the wealthy. And loyal party members.

It's socialism when you can opt out, Communism when it's mandatory. And this commentator wants it to be mandatory.

41 posted on 08/03/2013 2:26:54 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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They just do not want to give the free market a chance. I remember back in the 80s car insurance was insane. One accident and you could be paying $5000 a year which was a massive amount of money back then. Now because of the free market they give you freakin’ discounts if you have an accident! “Oh we are raising your rates” oh well then I’ll go Geico or Progressive or this or that. Same with phones, I remember getting massive bills for landlines now it’s $40 a month unlimited calls. But health insurance? Noooo, lets keep that under the thumb of the government, lets keep allowing OGYNs to pay $300k a year in litigation insurance because some crackhead ho gave birth to a kid with flippers and some Obama voting jury awarded her $40million bucks.


42 posted on 08/03/2013 2:27:46 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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Obamacare will never collapse of its own weight, and must be specifically abolished from the books to rid ourselves of it. Anything less will result in an intergenerational usurpation of governmental power that will last generations, and may never be fully rectified, like many failed policies before it. Furthermore, the government is used to spending money that doesn’t exist, so we’d be deluding ourselves to think that “budgetary problems” will prevent the current crop of stalinists from instituting their wet dream.


45 posted on 08/03/2013 2:33:05 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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“forced by the government”

This is the key to everything the left promotes ‘for the public good’. The only thing people are willing to embrace without the use of force is freedom, because the very definition of freedom is the absence of force or compulsion. This is another of those simple, black and white truths that exasperates the left, to whom everything is convoluted and complex, and ultimately subjective.


47 posted on 08/03/2013 2:34:32 PM PDT by Spok
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Well, that’s what the Soviets said to.


50 posted on 08/03/2013 2:38:19 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Not to fear, there will be subsidies for many people. Oh, you still will have to write a check for the full monthly insurance premium. But the government will catch you next time you file a tax return with a tax credit. So it’s dog food 11 months of the year.

The millennials will so not go for this. I guess they could just reduce deductions from their checks which could cause penalties and severely reduce tax revenue.


51 posted on 08/03/2013 2:38:48 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Fight the culture of nothing.)
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Bttt


53 posted on 08/03/2013 2:39:52 PM PDT by digger48
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Just another attempt for the ‘haves’ to pay for the ‘have not’s.


56 posted on 08/03/2013 2:42:49 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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Even if everyone is in it, it will still fail. Just take a bit longer.


62 posted on 08/03/2013 2:48:01 PM PDT by GeronL
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As experience in most countries around the world has confirmed, it is a profound source of market failure that renders unregulated insurance markets a catastrophically ineffective way of providing access to health care.

Just the other day the State of Ohio officially announced that health premiums under OsamaObamaCare will rise by 41%.I wonder how Comrade Bob sees that announcement fitting onto the "catastrophically" scale.Not that *he* has to worry about that thanks to the fact that he's surely been exempted from that train wreck as a member of the rich,powerful and "connected".

65 posted on 08/03/2013 2:53:30 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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For Obamacare to Work, Everyone Must Be Insane


68 posted on 08/03/2013 2:57:34 PM PDT by 867V309
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These may seem to be reasonable positions. But they are incompatible.

I brief and fleeting moment of clarity from the NYT and Robert H Frank.

Frank is just another high minded prog who is a vested member of the ethereal country club of We-Know-Better. He is another example that defies the notion that a conservative is a liberal who has been just mugged. Communism failed, but let's try it again, but this time the Frank idiot will pontificate new idiocy.

70 posted on 08/03/2013 2:59:19 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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I have and am considering not filing tax returns.

I'm 61 years old, no spouse, no dependents, no pets, no houseplants, minimal assets.

They can come and get me. 3 hots and a cot would be an improvement in my lifestyle.

74 posted on 08/03/2013 3:02:51 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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Which is why everyone should be out.


76 posted on 08/03/2013 3:11:59 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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I will have to go on Obamacare because of having to take disability from a genetic disease that will eventually take my life. It scares the *%#| out of me to turn my DNA and 30 years of medical records over to the government. Do I see a death panel in my future? Absolutely.


78 posted on 08/03/2013 3:22:15 PM PDT by Bapper64
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