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Sen. Ted Cruz Triumphs in 2016 Presidential Straw Poll: Wins Early GOP Vote Over Walker, Paul
Washington TImes ^ | 5 minutes ago | By Matthew Patane

Posted on 07/28/2013 6:13:04 PM PDT by drewh

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To: Kansas58

You are just full of wrong information. And for some reason you feel the need to spread it.


241 posted on 07/29/2013 12:22:16 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: txhurl

Tyrants always want to restrict dissent.


242 posted on 07/29/2013 12:23:25 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Kansas58

You are a fool.


243 posted on 07/29/2013 12:24:05 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Kansas58
Point well taken. Lets NOT give the Courts any MORE power! Conservatism, at its core, REJECTS Judicial Supremacy!

Ah, but then an IDIOT comes along and says "EVERY LEGAL AUTHORITY AGREES WITH ME, THEREFORE YOU ARE WRONG."

So which is it, are you in FAVOR of the Judicial Supremacy, or are you against it? Let us know when you make up your mind.

244 posted on 07/29/2013 12:26:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: noinfringers2

I am not sure that I understand your question completely.
However, the point I am making is that there can be MANY paths to Natural Born Citizenship, and that naming the obvious path does not rule out the other paths to Natural Born Citizenship.
It is without question that those born on U.S. Soil to two U.S. Citizen parents are Natural Born Citizens.
However, it is also possible to be born on foreign soil and to be a Natural Born Citizen, if that birthright can be passed on to you due to a qualified citizen parent.


245 posted on 07/29/2013 12:29:01 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Jeff Winston
I'll second what Kansas58 said.

That's because he's an idiot, and you are a deluded crank.

Jeff and Kansas58 depicted below.

246 posted on 07/29/2013 12:31:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Heard about the burglar who heard someone say:
“Jesus is watching you”?
The surprised burglar was startled, looked around, and saw the parrot in a cage.
“Jesus is watching you” the parrot said, once again.
The burglar then laughed and returned to his plunder, but then saw a pit bull looking straight at him and growling.
“Jesus is watching you” said the parrot once again.

Sometimes the parrot is right. Even when wrong, you should probably listen.

247 posted on 07/29/2013 12:36:04 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Tau Food

I have to disagree with you. I was taught exactly that every step of the way of my education including both my Government and Constitution classes in college. I was taught there were THREE classes of citizenship, one of which is NATURAL Born.

My son was born abroad on a Military base in the 70s. The paperwork states he is a NATIVE born citizen. I was told he could never run for POTUS when I inquired about the consequences to his overseas birth.

Pre-0, I would not have considered Cruz to be eligible to run for POTUS. Since 0 and McCain, a precedent has been set. It would require a ruling of the Court to rescind said precedent. Cruz, as of this moment in time, is qualified, imofwiw. That and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee in the 0 economy.


248 posted on 07/29/2013 12:44:20 PM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: Tau Food

Yes it can, unfortunately. It may have been regional, but I was explicitly and repeatedly taught the three types of citizenship.


249 posted on 07/29/2013 12:50:10 PM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: Jeff Winston
"The Great Chief Justice" of the US Supreme Court John Marshall,

Yes Jeff, the very one who ABSOLUTELY DISAGREES WITH YOU.

But once again, you LYINGLY cover up the FACT that John Marshall DISAGREES WITH YOU. (You also lie so as to make it appear that Baynard agrees with you.) But let's focus on how you are LYING about John Marshall.

John Marshall, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court: The Venus - 12 U.S. 253 (1814)

"The whole system of decisions applicable to this subject rests on the law of nations as its base. It is therefore of some importance to inquire how far the writers on that law consider the subjects of one power residing within the territory of another, as retaining their original character or partaking of the character of the nation in which they reside.

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says

"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights."

"The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are strangers who are permitted to settle and stay in the country. Bound by their residence to the society, they are subject to the laws of the state while they reside there, and they are obliged to defend it because it grants them protection, though they do not participate in all the rights of citizens. They enjoy only the advantages which the laws or custom gives them. The perpetual inhabitants are those who have received the right of perpetual residence. These are a kind of citizens of an inferior order, and are united and subject to the society, without participating in all its advantages."

A domicile, then, in the sense in which this term is used by Vattel, requires not only actual residence in a foreign country, but "an intention of always staying there." Actual residence without this intention amounts to no more than "simple habitation."

But that's not all! According to THIS excerpt, John Marshall cited Vattel more than any other writer.

The position is reinforced in this book as well.

So once again, Jeff is Lying. It's not that he hasn't seen this material, it's that he's seen it and refuses to accept it.

Marshall is NOT ON YOUR SIDE JEFF.

250 posted on 07/29/2013 12:50:45 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Kansas58
You make no effort to understand the law at all.

Nor do you. You simply keep repeating the same brain dead stupid crap over and over again. Your main argument is "ALL LEGAL AUTHORITIES AGREE WITH ME."

Just mindless.

251 posted on 07/29/2013 12:52:46 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Kansas58
You have no legal authority on your side.

What did I say? Simply mindless.

252 posted on 07/29/2013 12:53:42 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Kansas58
and you have NOTHING on your side

And I mean truly mindless.

253 posted on 07/29/2013 12:54:46 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Red Steel
Red Steel, writing to a simpleminded parrot:
Spamming the thread with simpletonisms doesn’t make you correct.

It appears to be the only thing he knows how to do. His NUMBER ONE ARGUMENT is "All the legal authorities are on MY SIDE!"

Later in the thread he complains about "Judicial Supremacy", ("Point well taken. Lets NOT give the Courts any MORE power! Conservatism, at its core, REJECTS Judicial Supremacy!") and is mindlessly oblivious to the fact that this is his central argument.

What a character.

254 posted on 07/29/2013 12:59:05 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: HawkHogan
I’ve now talked to numerous constitutional law professors at my school and not one supports the birthers’ definition of natural born citizen.

Did they also tell you that Abortion was a right guaranteed by the 14th amendment? Do you agree with them?

255 posted on 07/29/2013 1:01:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Jeff Winston
Can I inquire which school is that?

If you’re not comfortable mentioning the name, you could describe the type of school it is.

School won't help you Jeff. What you need is a sanitarium. Might I recommend this one?

Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital

256 posted on 07/29/2013 1:05:08 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: publana
Well, I allowed that there might be a few of you out there who have such memories, just not more than one in a million. I have no doubt that you remember EVERY one of your teachers teaching you exactly what you remember being taught.

I'm also glad that you believe that "Cruz, as of this moment in time, is qualified." Each of us has our own unique journey to the truth.

257 posted on 07/29/2013 1:07:12 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Kansas58
YOU HAVE NO LIVING LEGAL AUTHORITY ON YOUR SIDE!

Once again, maniacal repetition. And he STILL doesn't understand that this doesn't PROVE anything. It's just rant.

Not being able to think for yourself must really suck.

258 posted on 07/29/2013 1:08:34 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Kansas58
And every one of your “birther” arguments have been completely destroyed.

You really are ridiculous. You are like Bagdad Bob in this regard.


259 posted on 07/29/2013 1:10:01 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: publana
Why do birthers like you insist on giving the Court power it does not have?
CONGRESS and the STATES determine eligibility for POTUS.
NOT THE COURTS!
260 posted on 07/29/2013 1:12:13 PM PDT by Kansas58
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