Posted on 06/17/2013 8:03:34 PM PDT by jazusamo
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In other words, the United States burned while the Federals made the States fiddle.
That could happen, but part of today's ruling said that Arizona (or any other state) can check the federal registration form against other records (SSN, state tax records, etc) to verify citizenship if the registrant does not provide it. And the voter MUST check the box certifying (under penalty of perjury) they are a citizen or the form gets discarded. So if they verify through other means and find non-citizens trying to register, they can be prosecuted under both state and federal election laws.
Some states will use state forms, others will use federal - it is up to the state.
Whats to stop libs from starting all over and suing states to force them to use the federal form ?
In part, this case will prevent the libs from suing to force states to use the federal form. The opinion made it clear that states can use their own forms that comport with their own registration laws - but if someone uses the federal form, the state must accept it and cannot add their own requirements to the federal form. They can however ask the feds to add the state requirements to the forms used in their state, and according to Scalia, may even be able to sue to force the Feds to do so, since they have already done so for other states.
No, it reinforces the concept that the federal law takes precedence over state law with regard to registration for FEDERAL elections. State law is still primary with regard to state and local elections. You could require voters to fill out the state registration form in order to be able to vote in state and local elections, or just be limited to voting in federal elections if they choose to use the federal form. There would be some logistical problems with that, but it would be legal and constitutional (federalism).
Since the author of this article has worked a long time in election law and federal law, and is a rock-solid law and order conservative with the record to prove it, I think I will give his opinion a higher level of credence than yours.
I hope this is not the same kind of victory we got when John Roberts gave us ObamaCare.
part of today's ruling said that Arizona (or any other state) can check the federal registration form against other records (SSN, state tax records, etc) to verify citizenship if the registrant does not provide it.
"...while the NVRA forbids States to demand that an applicant submit additional information beyond that required by the Federal Form, it does not preclude States from 'deny[ing] registration based on information in their possession establishing the applicants ineligibility.'" Opinion page 12
Which is exactly the problem.
The onus to prove/disprove eligibility is on the state rather than the applicant. The State is barred from obtaining information from the applicant and instead must rely on information in their possession.
Meanwhile the foreigner is registered, and will vote.
A vote can not be undone.
Nice analysis and good news. I heard Levin today complaining and he missed this completely.
This all depends on who controls the state government so lets not kill off our GOP governors please. Here in Maryland illegals and criminals will vote.
Rather than control the front door, the borders/ports, everyone will be admitted to the country.
Then everyone within the country will be enabled to live here, unless encountered and then the state can try to determine if they are here illegally.
So with voting:
Rather than control who registers, everyone will be registered and admitted to the process.
Then everyone in the process will be enabled to vote unless the state can determine they are illegally registered.
Common sense: Control the point of entry - to the country or the process - rather than backstop it after the fact.
Right, but when does the left, serve to reinforce the law?
When it is in their best interest.
I hope he Adams goes on Mark Levin’s show. Levin was very critical of the SC decision.
At last Conservatives and winning strategy. I’ts been so long since this has been practiced, we’ve forgotten how it’s done! A bright spot on a dark horizon. We might have kicked a few rumps with this one.....Last score...when JC Roberts upheld obombacare as constitutional as a tax, All the libs were shouting with glee and yet when magic mulatto son came on to say his prepared written for him words....he had a strange appearance, as what the he’l just happened. This was not the outcome he expected for obombacare vs SC There is more than one way to skin a cat....Think Patton, Eisenhower not the professionals who might have had great educations with no street smarts.
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In theory, the decision may not be as big as a victory for the Left.
Only in theory. The PEOPLE do not trust those marxist states, as they sought/seek to dominate the whole political landscape.
Again, back in the time when pinwheel feed printers were all the rage there were all sorts of private formats and they all needed to be approved by the issuing agency ~ whether, state, federal, local, England, France, etc. With today's cut sheet printing it's less of an issue.
Obama minion bragged on FOX how they would call individuals urging them to vote and even intimidating them
Indiana’s AG has filed suit for using Obami-fone in electioneering If is illegal to mix government property with a candidates bid for office
Saw the initial report of suit. If anyone has more info please post
This is exactly what I said to hubby as we heard the ruling, that the states can use their own forms and claim they can verify citizenship for state election
We need to dispel this notion that there are Federal elections. That animal does not exist except in one instance: state electors voting for POTUS. Outside of that every election is a STATE election. Federal means nationwide, across state lines. The voters of Illinois don't cast votes for US Senator from the state of Iowa, etc. If there were Federal elections then D.C. would have its own voter registration rolls and we would be voting at the nearest Federal building instead of at the local precinct. We have statewide/district wide elections for Federal office holders.
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