Posted on 05/30/2013 8:00:45 PM PDT by Ron C.
It's just not accurate to say that. We knew stuff was dangerous...Hoods and air supplies had only just began to be used in the 19th century for sandblasters...
Safety tech grows and spreads slowly, not because they don't care or are lying, but because they did not see it as a problem.
So the response I expect from you is “Why Not?”
The answer is A problem compared to what? At that time people were getting killed outright everyday on jobs. Those were the problems! A little sand or particulate in your lungs was just part of the job. And for that you got paid a few cents more.
It's always been that way.....Even the Space Shuttle program with all it's scientists and safety experts had a long learning curve that was still underway when the program finished.
Even with all that effort I heard constant bellyaching about the fact that no moon rock was worth a life...yadayadda...
To all these GMO warriors fighting some sort of perceived enemy, I can only say that you need to lighten up and try a bit of balanced perspective. Stop going into the echo chamber and listening only to people who have ulterior motives or are ignorant and simply led by someone who does.
It's just not worth it to be jerked around like a puppet so that someone else can profit from a lawsuit in Oregon, California or anywhere where you find dishonest liberal turds.
They are now doing the same things with Fracking tech. It's all related to the same morons you see demonstrating..(I use the term lightly) against the New World Order! Burning SUV’s, letting diseased and contaminated monkeys loose or posing nude to garner attention for mistreated bugs.
Right, the daily kos is pro business. Haha.
” I am sure you prefer to get your information from someone who agrees with you.”
...I notice that’s a monsanto.com link
Pot, kettle?
Monsanto has done more for conservation tillage and reduction to cost of inputs than any company I can think of. If those outside of production agriculture only knew the business. Hopefully you antibusiness people don’t buy any of their products. Black, why did you work for a chemical company? Are you a supporter of environmental pollution. Got any idea how many chemical dumps there are in the US?
Didn’t work for a chemical company. No, I do not support random dumping of crap in the environment. Ever wonder why most boys in the 18-20 look like Justin Bieber (aka, a girl) and sound like 13yr olds whose voices haven’t changed yet?
It’s only going to get worse. I can personally name 3 girls in their mid 20’s who’ve been told they’ll never have their own kids. Turns out their ovarian reserve is that of 40+yr old women. I knew lots of 20 somethings when *I* was in my 20’s and we’d never heard of such a thing.
I’m not anti business. I’m anti fascism. That’s where an honest business decides to better themselves by buying political favor at the expense of any competition or the best interests of the general public.
That’s monsanto in spades. And most of the top 5 pharma companies as well.
We had honest businesses in this country, for the most part, prior to the civil war. Since then it’s been a downhill slide into corporate fascism. Favor buying and backroom deals.
I’m just thinking of the little Indian farmers who are getting 20 TONS of rice per hectare.
With NO Monsanto inputs.
The techniques they’re using aren’t that difficult to scale up with relevant technology. Why use roundup when you could buy 50 ‘roomba’ type devices on the cheap and GPS them into your fields for weed control? Make them essentially disposable like microwaves or computer monitors and the cost savings would be enormous. The tech isn’t here right this minute. Give it 5 years. Or less. If the Japanese get involved. They’re already big big big into robotics.
Monsanto is last century tech. Increasing governmental force to maintain their position is the only way they’ll stay in business.
Pro your kind of business.
>> “I’m just thinking of the little Indian farmers who are getting 20 TONS of rice per hectare.” <<
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And in India it is unlawful to use any substance that is harmful to any form of life.
That is why all the flour and rice we use in our house comes from India. Ditto the spices and herbs too.
I have a lot of respect for those farmers. They’ve got a really hard life.
Good article if you mind the source:
I predicted you would say that, if you read my post.
You even copied the relevant part and now you have added some irony to the mix.
Of course it’s from Monsanto. Any information that supports GMO would almost have to come from them. Politicians run from it yet try to stay neutral. Most investigative science that has been put out on the internet is all on the opposing side. I mean.......heck...who wants to defend a rich, powerful company.....evil corporation, and all that belly rot....
The link takes to to tons of research papers done by scientists, but unfortunately for you, it can’t be true because it come from the belly of the beast.
So that’s the level of this discourse and argument and it’s not going to get any better.
It’s all probably a moot point anyway, because before too much longer it won’t matter much. GMO stuff will be the least of our social issues...survival will be a lot more topical to discuss.
Then again they might not like my solution for pests. If the drone tech improves it would be really cool to have a little bird house sized set of drone-lets programmed to eliminate one or more troublesome garden pest. Squash vine borers, stink bugs, whatever. Stake the little (solar powered) drone-let house on one corner of the garden, mark the boundary like you do with the electric invisible dog yard and let them go. One on patrol, shock to the offending pest to kill it, fly back to the drone-let house to recharge and another flies out.
Hey, if the pervs can use them for evil, why use them for good?
Ok. I worked R&D for a living. If you trust the corporate r&d unquestioningly you will definitely get what you deserve.
I know this for a fact.
Shall we go research official RJR publications for tobacco safety information too?
Maybe YOU should read this link too:
Tip. Of. The. Iceberg.
That's not fascism, that's crony capitalism.
Fascism is when the government seizes control of the means of production. Usually it's a part of a tyranny and seems to be connected to social populism.
Liberals love to paint conservatives with the fascism label because in order to avoid the truth about Hitler's Socialist Party, they try to say he was ultra conservative and that conservatives are fascist...because they support business and evil corporations....LOL
But that's par for the course when you deal with a lib. They project fault on their enemy for the things they themselves are engaged in.
Obama does it everyday...
So no.....Getting Congress to write legislation that is helpful to the company that lobbied for it in not fascism. A worst it is crony capitalism if you can link money or favors to it, if done legally and above board it is a proper function of Congress to address grievances and that is the purpose of a lobbyist who facilitates that.
But like any human endeavor, things can get out of hand. However I don't see any evidence of that in this case. opponents tried to make it look that way, but so far have failed.
And I’ll post this article’s link again. Nifty little article. I’ve personally witnessed fraud and ‘misbehavior’ in an R&D environment multiple times. Speak up? Are you nuts? I had a car note a mortgage and a family to feed. Who wants to be labeled the troublemaker.
Can you say ‘fired with bad references’? Thought you could.
Trust those official R&D reports? Maybe. With a grain of salt.
Sorry, my black helicopter is down for maintenance.
Not something I have time to do anyway..I have enough on my plate then to look under rugs and in between couch cushions for dirt.....
You think that Monsanto does not have any ulterior motive? They sue people who plant seeds from their own crops. They have sought and obtained laws protecting themselves from competitors and farmers.
They are the worst kind of crony capitalists.
And you trust them to modify the genetic makeup of wheat seeds and turn them loose on the planet?
There’s a fine line between fascism and crony capitalism. We crossed that in the late 1800’s or early 1900’s. The businesses run the government. They ARE the government. I offer Rosa DeLauro as an example.
Kelo, for example.
Who owns what is semantics at this point.
So a major pharma FRAUDULENTLY manipulating data for the safety and efficacy of an important childhood vaccine is ‘black helicopter’?
Wow.
That’s not black helicopter. It’s in court right now. Interestingly enough the FRAUDULENT data reinforced the efficacy of their MMR vaccine MONOPOLY.
That’s definitely NOT black helicopter.
A comment from the scientific american posting:
“This information is so disquieting. There are enough denialists (climate change, anti-vaxxers, etc) of every ilk out there already questioning research that something like this is just going to add fuel to their claims that big pharma/big medicine/big whoever cannot be trusted.”
And no, I wasn’t the commenter. But wow, ya think?
People are after all human.
Humans are flawed.
Deception, fraud, theft.....It’s all relatively normal for people. That’s why we have to make big piles of laws for people to ignore.
If you are trying to say that Monsanto is totally full up with criminals, then that your right, but I would say that you have a motive for doing that because it’s a bit far fetched..
But I’m sure if you look long enough and deep enough you will find some dirt. Because everyone is flawed. Everyone has dirt somewhere...someplace in their organizations and families..
But I suspect GMO is the least of your issues with Monsanto. I too have had long term grudges against people and even companies. It was so pervasive that it nearly destroyed me. But I let it go...Now I can see better..
The company went bust and was swallowed up anyway...but if I ever run into a few choice people.....well....can’t say what I might do...
So yes, I fully understand what people and companies are capable of doing when they feel threatened.
I am only vaguely familiar with the MMR case...If I recall the company thought that the vaccine was strong enough to allow lowering the dose.
Turned out it was not...Some cried foul and alleged coverups...Sounds to me like a typical situation where a company in it’s defense, says or does something that turns out to be perjury or exaggeration....since the penalty for exaggeration is zero....The lawyers opt for perjury. It pays better.
Can’t comment on it, don’t know if it’s the same case. I don’t trade Pharma stocks or I would be well read on it.
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