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Texas Republican Sen. Cruz eligible to be president should he decide to run
Fox News ^ | May 15, 2013 | Fox News Staff

Posted on 05/18/2013 7:52:44 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

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To: Jeff Winston
that the Founding Fathers - including 40% of the distinguished men who spent literally MONTHS writing the Constitution, debating every significant bit of wording and every significant passage - were as clueless or incompetent, or as drunk, as you portray them as being.

Here he is again repeating that same lie; No Jeff, they didn't agree with you. They weren't idiots.

301 posted on 05/20/2013 8:53:44 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Constitution 123
Again ParentS Plural... This means that this child must be born of both a Mother and Father who are USA citizens.

So, kindly explain to all of us here in as few words as possible how this applies to either Cruz or Obummer?

In 1790 there was no such thing as a "Dual citizen". If a Woman married an American, she was automatically naturalized by marriage. (American Common Law) Congress even codified this back in the later half of the 19th Century.

302 posted on 05/20/2013 8:56:58 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Jeff Winston
Either that, or I know more about it than you do.

Of that I have no doubt. As Reagan said:

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. "


303 posted on 05/20/2013 9:07:40 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Jeff Winston
And James Madison explained all of this, quite clearly enough.

Yes, but people like you seize on one sentence, and assume that Madison was favoring your side. The truth is that Madison argued that in absence of State Statute, English Common law applied regarding citizenship in a State. He Explicitly said that in view of an existing law, it would not. Even at that, Madison's usage of the word "place" was not the mindless obsession with geography which you constantly employ, but he was referring to it in terms of community. Madison was not addressing an issue of Federal Citizenship.

Madison likewise supported Ambassador Armstrong for a Year and a Half in his claim that James McClure was an English Subject. Madison also very likely wrote that letter to the Alexandria Herald. There is just too much information contained therein to be from an interested bystander. Only someone who knew all the intricate details of the case could have written it, and that means someone in the Madison Administration.

Madison is not on your side.

304 posted on 05/20/2013 9:24:15 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: MMaschin
The Congress CAN NOT declare a person a 'Natural Born Citizen', because they CAN NOT change the definition, it's immutable.

Probably why the term was removed from the original 14th draft IIRC.

305 posted on 05/20/2013 9:33:28 AM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Thank you. You seem to be correct, as I see from this exchange. Your posting name seems to be well chosen.


306 posted on 05/20/2013 9:36:35 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: GregNH
Probably why the term was removed from the original 14th draft IIRC.

I had not heard that before. Do you have a supporting link for this? I consider that powerful evidence of intent. (or more accurately, non intent.)

307 posted on 05/20/2013 10:24:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp; rxsid

I wish I could remember but I am pretty sure it was somewhere here in a FReep thread.


308 posted on 05/20/2013 10:47:13 AM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: Ray76

There is evidence of support for Obama being issued a Certificate of Naturalization in 1983. You choose to ignore it. Some FReepers are interested in learning the truth.


309 posted on 05/20/2013 11:13:24 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

How can I ignore evidence supporting your claim when you’ve offered none?


310 posted on 05/20/2013 11:20:06 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I haven’t seen this before. I have read of Gray’s contrary holdings in Elk and Ark, this article ties it all together.

Thanks for the link.


311 posted on 05/20/2013 11:25:59 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

I’m an eyewitness and not the custodian of the evidence. I haven’t indicated I am the custodian, yet you continue to make demands that I produce the evidence so you may become an eyewitness.

Only the custodian of the evidence can produce it. Obama can obtain a certified copy of his Certificate of Naturalization just as easy as he obtained a certified copy of his COLB. Obama can show his Certificate of Naturalization to anyone he chooses. That doesn’t me the eyewitness has a copy of it. It means they’ve seen it and know it exists.


312 posted on 05/20/2013 11:32:58 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Pffft. I saw Santa Clause. Take my word for it.

We’ve been around this before, Sven. Produce an affidavit.


313 posted on 05/20/2013 11:38:51 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: AmericanVictory
Thank you. You seem to be correct, as I see from this exchange. Your posting name seems to be well chosen.

Thank you. I aim to be as cynical and accurate as possible. :)

314 posted on 05/20/2013 11:39:57 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Ray76

A noncustodial witness can only be used for rebuttal in the Fed. Rules of Civil Procedure. Consequently, an affidavit by a rebuttal witness is ignored by the Court until the primary or custodial witness denies the existence of the evidence or testifies the evidence cannot be found.

Only an Obot will find value in an affidavit that is ignored until the primary witness denies the allegation. How many times did you vote for Obama?


315 posted on 05/20/2013 12:30:28 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Cite specific rule


316 posted on 05/20/2013 12:49:32 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

Do your own research or get a secretary.


317 posted on 05/20/2013 12:52:10 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

You made the assertion.


318 posted on 05/20/2013 12:54:04 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: SvenMagnussen
You made the assertion another unsubstantiated assertion.
319 posted on 05/20/2013 1:00:46 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Jeff Winston

that’s obviously not the case


320 posted on 05/20/2013 3:07:14 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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