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Do Libertarians Really "Want a World Without Moral Judgments"?
Reason ^ | 03/22/2013 | Nick Gillespie

Posted on 03/22/2013 8:51:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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181 posted on 03/23/2013 8:27:04 AM PDT by narses
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Don’t forget dirty air and water, starving school children, and throwing granny off a cliff.


182 posted on 03/23/2013 8:32:23 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: cdcdawg

Actually, I forgot the neighbor on the other side with the drug lab, the crack house across the street and the masturbating pervert in the yard behind his.


183 posted on 03/23/2013 8:48:14 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Paul Ryan 2016)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I still think you need the dirty air, dirty water, starving schoolchildren and murdered granny. If your going to act like an MSNBC leftist, go all out.


184 posted on 03/23/2013 8:51:13 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: cdcdawg

Hey if you want to deny those would flourish because of the kooky ideas of liberaltarians then go ahead and look the fool,


185 posted on 03/23/2013 8:59:46 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Paul Ryan 2016)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

And you would prefer jack-booted thugs paroling the streets?

Libertarianism is definitively about self-governance. Statism is about forcing the will of govt on its victims. Morality and neighborliness are tangential to these two opposing enforcement extents.


186 posted on 03/23/2013 9:08:14 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Hey, if you want to deny that dirty air and dirty water would flourish because of the kooky ideas of liberaltarians, then go ahead and look the fool.

I think given the chance, you could whip up some anti-gun hysteria as well. You see, that’s when leftists act exactly like you. All those things you said are what libs say about guns (even using the Drug War to further their anti-gun agenda, with your help). If we just had stronger drug laws, if we just had stronger gun laws, if we just had stronger banking laws, if we just had stronger environmental laws. Then we could solve all of these problems. Because government solves problems so very well.


187 posted on 03/23/2013 9:12:30 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Gene Eric

Being out of touch with reality is a requisite of being a kooky Liberaltarian. Thank you for providing such a stark example of that.


188 posted on 03/23/2013 9:15:57 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Paul Ryan 2016)
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To: cdcdawg

After denying the validity of my post, you now seek a-do-over by validating it.

Too funny but so typical LoL!


189 posted on 03/23/2013 9:19:15 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Paul Ryan 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind
To say that libertarians want a world w/out moral judgement is a misrepresentation of true libertarianism.

Libertarians, IMO, believe it is society's role to ostracize and discourage destructive behaviors. It is not the role of the government through the monopoly of force.

Now, ofcourse, do all libertarians understand this? No. But MANY libertarians are really just leftists who understand calling themselves a leftist isn't as cool.

Also, as with any large body of people where the left can spread it's tentacles --there is infiltration. The left spreads it's peoples far and wide to corrupt and destroy. See media, academia, churches, non-profit orgs, and the REPUBLICAN PARTY for examples.

190 posted on 03/23/2013 9:26:34 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I think you were the first to engage in a do-over. You are using the dirty air/dirty water/starve children formulation of the left. You can’t distinguish your own argument from theirs, mainly because they are the same. You would make an outstanding gun control advocate.


191 posted on 03/23/2013 9:34:54 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Berlin_Freeper

A punk statist complaining about a kooky Libertarian. Go figure.


192 posted on 03/23/2013 9:36:47 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: cdcdawg

You are arguing to make it legal to pipe sewer water to peoples faucets as if you have a point other than the one on top of your head... because you have nothing but empty hyperbole and quickly jump to “jackboot” type words of the drug pushing agenda.

You don’t warrant another minute of my time.
Got you pegged.


193 posted on 03/23/2013 9:38:05 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Paul Ryan 2016)
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To: riri
Libertarians, IMO, believe it is society's role to ostracize and discourage destructive behaviors.
I will disagree. Most L's I have read think if you don't like seeing a man masturbating on the street, that is your sole problem and too bad for you. The L's have absolutely ZERO interest in discouraging destructive behaviors.
194 posted on 03/23/2013 9:47:15 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Paul Ryan 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m going to have a 17 ounce Coca Cola with my lunch. Is that okay with the Socons? After all, my body is a temple of the Lord, so I want to clear that with them. Government wants to limit me to 16 ounces, but I’m feeling frisky. I mean, at this rate, left to my own devices, I could have a needle in my arm and a penis in my rectum by nightfall. I hope the government saves me from all of that.

Oh, and I’m not responsible enough to have these guns either. I think the government needs to take them. Christ said that he who lives by the sword will die by it, so that’s a good pretext for taking them. If my neighbors and I all have them, this street would be a shooting gallery, with dead kids stacked 10 deep. Thank God gun ownership is only 100% around here, or we would have more than our 1 murder every 15-20 years. We’ve gotten by too long without the government’s help on this. Pure luck.

Come to think of it, there are times when I don’t give to the poor. Maybe the government should also do that for me. Christian morality requires it, so the government should enforce it. Those guys do a better job of things anyway. I might be greedy without their influence. They are so upright, and they make me a better person. We just need to make sure to elect the best people, and give them lots of power, because they can do good with it.

If the government can just make me do enough of the right things, I won’t need the church. Hurray! Oh, wait.


195 posted on 03/23/2013 9:48:27 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Not sure what’s on top of your head, but my point went right over it, and I aimed pretty low. Your empty hyperbole is what started this exchange, and your inability to reason makes it a waste of time. I’ll leave it at this: your hyperbolic examples are exactly the tactics of the Left. They are just as devoid of facts or logic. You should reflect on that. There are good arguments against the libertarian perspective. If you want to argue against it, you should read up on them.


196 posted on 03/23/2013 9:54:12 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: cdcdawg

>> tactics of the Left.

And statists too.


197 posted on 03/23/2013 9:56:25 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: freeandfreezing
Sorry, but I'm familiar with your game.

I don't play games. I don't deceive, dissemble or use duplicity. I didn't even read your comment, I just added your name since the person I was responding to was responding to you. I will read you entire referenced comment and this one later when I have time.

198 posted on 03/23/2013 10:55:12 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Tax-chick
Everyone who considers himself "libertarian" defines the philosophy as being comprised of his personal beliefs.

Damn that's good. Perfectly summarized.

199 posted on 03/23/2013 11:04:08 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Fightin Whitey

Why, thank you. I’m known for my summaries ;-), as well as baby pictures and cat pictures.


200 posted on 03/23/2013 11:20:08 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Why should I get Valium when wine comes in 5-liter boxes?)
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