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Kroger Gun Stunt Sparks 2nd Amendment Debate
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| 1/28/2013
| Amy Vu
Posted on 01/29/2013 11:46:30 AM PST by 1912comeback
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To: Mad Dawgg
Where in the story does it say he had it slung over his shoulder? Nowhere. I’m assuming then because he was there to ‘prove a point’ that he was displaying it ostentatiously, or brandishing it.
Bottom line - guns are serious tools. As I said, I grew up in the rural areas and guns are brought out to use, to clean, or to transport. They aren’t some neo-60’s hippie protest statement, and you don’t walk around with one to prove a point. He didn’t do anything illegal, but he sure didn’t use good gun handling protocol either. Like several said here, if I was carrying I would have had safety off ready to put the guy down if he made a wrong move.
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posted on
01/30/2013 4:25:36 AM PST
by
Free Vulcan
(Vote Republican! [You can vote Democrat when you're dead]...)
To: VanDeKoik
Non sequitur, Van. There’s no mention of signage banning this young man from carrying in the Kroger. As a matter of fact, there’s an account stating that he idled around the front of the store appearing to look for a “Gun Free Zone” sign. Kroger made a statement later stating that the safety of their patrons is important but did not clarify if they were “Gun Free.”
If a business decides to post a sign banning me from carrying on their property, then I will not patronize that business. It is their right to do so as it is my right to choose not to patronize them. If they do not post a sign explicitly stating that they do not permit lawful carrying of a firearm, they cannot deny me my right to carry.
If they wish to file trespassing against me after-the-fact, that also is their right, but one cannot trespass if one does not know that the property is private or otherwise prohibited to specific persons.
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posted on
01/30/2013 4:32:45 AM PST
by
rarestia
(It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
To: 1912comeback
JCP [Utah] copycat.
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posted on
01/30/2013 4:37:54 AM PST
by
Daffynition
(The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
To: VanDeKoik
If you open your business to the public, then expect the public to come in to your business with whatever they happen to be carrying.
If you want to keep your business a private club, you can do that too. You can post a sign saying what is acceptable to you. Etc...
So no, it has less to do with one Right trumping another's Rights. It has more to do with mutual respect for those Rights or a lack thereof.
Post your business as a Victim Disarmament Zone or just get over it that your patrons are providing additional FREE security for your business.
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posted on
01/30/2013 5:48:25 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(I will not comply.)
To: Trod Upon
We obviously have completely different expectations for what is an "appropriate location". I've been to a number of carry rallies, 3-gun matches, Zombie shoots, etc where the attendees are better armed than most 3rd World dictatorships.
I've rarely felt safer.
Don't buy into the stupidity of the Left's hoplophobia.
The solution to random shooters, and even sudden Jihad syndrome, is for more people to carry. Open, concealed, pistol, or rifle. Whatever your personal choice is.
The Israelis figured this out. The Founders figured this out. Heck, even the Swiss figured this out.
Why is it so hard for you?
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posted on
01/30/2013 6:24:18 AM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(I will not comply.)
To: VanDeKoik
In Michigan, one can Open Carry in more places than one can go Concealed and so long as there isn't a sign posted outside the establishment specifically alerting folks to NOT carry weapons inside, then it's perfectly legal to do so. Grocery stores, the malls, barbershops, restaurants (check laws) and a whole lot of other places. The catch is transporting the weapon once you want to leave. Gotta be careful there.
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posted on
01/30/2013 9:26:51 AM PST
by
Mathews
(Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV))
To: VanDeKoik
As long as the establishment is not Posted or Designated as a Weapons Free Area... then yes, 2nd and State Law would trump.
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posted on
01/30/2013 9:32:59 AM PST
by
Mathews
(Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV))
To: Free Vulcan
..and had you shot yourself in the foot because you got overly nervous while finger a loaded weapon with the safety off, you would not only get a ride to the hospital, but you would be in trouble for unlawful discharge and whatever else the law could come up with.
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posted on
01/30/2013 9:36:22 AM PST
by
Mathews
(Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV))
To: Dead Corpse
It's difficult for me because I am a rational adult who understands that with rights come responsibilities. Just because you are lawfully able to do something doesn't excuse you from questioning whether or not it is the right thing to do under the circumstances at hand. This kid did what he did in order to shock people, and that's why he had the note in his pocket--he fully expected something to happen to him because he knew how provocative his actions were going to be. He has accomplished nothing but to further inflame the anti 2A crowd with his irresponsible behavior. I also understand that our threat level is not even remotely close to that faced by the good people of Israel. It's just not even comparable. I'm curious. What is the practical purpose, beyond pulling a provocative political stunt, for an American to take a rifle into a grocery store in the middle of a city? No, It is not "self defense"...even Detroit is not that bad.
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posted on
01/30/2013 12:45:59 PM PST
by
Trod Upon
(Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
To: Trod Upon
Sounds like you’re looking for a fight.
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posted on
01/30/2013 12:49:35 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: Trod Upon
>> “This kids stunt was reckless in the extreme.” <<
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You’re nuts!
I personally would feel more comfortable if people carried rifles around much more freely. That would prevent the crazies from getting the upper hand.
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posted on
01/30/2013 1:22:28 PM PST
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: Trod Upon
He did it to make a point. He did it because it IS legal and should be perfectly acceptable to any rational adult you takes their responsibilities seriously.
A Right not exercised is more easily taken. A little bit of wisdom you seem to be over looking in your rampant rush to judge and to be seen as not scaring the sheep.
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posted on
01/30/2013 1:41:09 PM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(I will not comply.)
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