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Time to Grow Up, GOP
Townhall.com ^ | January 16, 2013 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/16/2013 6:42:50 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/16/2013 6:42:54 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Time to replace the GOP


2 posted on 01/16/2013 6:45:15 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Kaslin
Jonah's either half-right today or he's having it both ways.

Let me think about it.

3 posted on 01/16/2013 6:45:34 AM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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To: Kaslin

Not buying it.

The GOP is composed of a collection of limp-wristed do nothings whose shortcomings are exceeded only by the even more talentless “things” currently living in the cesspool called the democratic party.

I have withdrawn my membership from the GOP and will no longer give them any funds. Perhaps we have to enter the full stall and go into a spin for a while, but we’ve got no choice, given the lack of talent, ability, creativity and morality of both parties.

Hopefully, we can pull out of the soon to come spin before CW-II starts.


4 posted on 01/16/2013 6:50:24 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Kaslin

Jonah’s flat-out wrong here with respect to the GOP - the party has no use for conservatives, outside of demanding “tribute” in the way of votes and donations. If left to its own devices, the party would not make any push in favor of any significant conservative causes.

He’s right about the number of hucksters in the conservative orbit, though — I’d lump Hannity and the Huckster himself in this category, and Coulter has become more of a saleslady for the party than for conservatism.


5 posted on 01/16/2013 6:52:11 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Kaslin

Jonah’s flat-out wrong here with respect to the GOP - the party has no use for conservatives, outside of demanding “tribute” in the way of votes and donations. If left to its own devices, the party would not make any push in favor of any significant conservative causes.

He’s right about the number of hucksters in the conservative orbit, though — I’d lump Hannity and the Huckster himself in this category, and Coulter has become more of a saleslady for the party than for conservatism.


6 posted on 01/16/2013 6:52:36 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Kaslin
Jonah has a good point, but John Hawkins makes a good point that we don't trust Republicans to have our backs when they compromise. If Republicans had signed on to Boehner's "Plan B" because they felt it was a compromise that would be a strategic retreat to advance the ultimate agenda, we might have supported them.

But we (rightly, I think) believe they are just looking for anything that will keep them in power. Minority power is OK as long as they hold office. So we don't trust them to have the right goal, and we don't accept their compromise.

I'll grow up, Jonah, when I'm certain I'm playing with adults.

7 posted on 01/16/2013 6:53:55 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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The GOP and conservatives especially don’t really have a future and this is why.

WHITE VOTE IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS

2012: 72% of electorate, Romney 59, Obama 39

2008: 74% of electorate, McCain 55, Obama 43

2004: 77% of electorate, Bush 58, Kerry 41

2000: 81% of electorate, Bush 55, Gore 42

1996: 83% of electorate, Dole 46, Clinton 44 (Perot 9)

1992: 87% of electorate, Bush 41, Clinton 39 (Perot 21)

1988: 85% of electorate, Bush 60, Dukakis 40

1984: 86% of electorate, Reagan 66, Mondale 34

1980: 88% of electorate, Reagan 56, Carter 36 (Anderson 8)

1976: 89% of electorate, Ford 52, Carter 48

AVERAGE DEMOCRATIC WHITE VOTE SHARE: 40.6%


8 posted on 01/16/2013 6:54:10 AM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: Kaslin
The Rockefeller Republicans were purged from the GOP decades ago.

Sorry, Jonah. You may have missed it, but the party just ran a Progressive Democrat for President and dragged the party to the electoral depths in the process.

He was enabled in this process by a party leadership and apparatus determined to choke off conservative opposition. The Speaker of the House threatened conservative members with, in essence, desertion by the national party for daring to commit the sin of representing their constituents.

Republican leadership is a weak-kneed, vacillating mass of moderation and 'compromise', deliberately out of touch with the populist wave that catapulted it into national influence.

Rockefeller Republicans have not been purged from the Republican Party. In essence, they ARE the Republican Party.

9 posted on 01/16/2013 6:56:02 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kaslin

Jonah Goldberg is yet another example of nepotism destroying conservatism.


10 posted on 01/16/2013 6:56:59 AM PST by peyton randolph (FUBO and his wookie beard)
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To: Kaslin
Been in the Fox News “Green Room” too often.

The Fox News Green Room is a generator of RINO isotopes that weaken the will and corrode faith in conservative principles...

...nah, just more money in being a GOP-e sellout and JG ain't selling as many books as before...freekin' hypocrite.

11 posted on 01/16/2013 6:58:34 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Kaslin

and this is the money line...

The good is obvious. The ill is less understood. For starters, the movement has an unhealthy share of hucksters eager to make money from stirring rage, paranoia and an ill-defined sense of betrayal with little concern for the real political success that can only come with persuading the unconverted.

my case in point is the fubocare ruling...

while fubocare sucks, and i detest it, this ruling was a victory for constitution minded people everywhere, if it was just read and examined..

the talking heads on the radio proclaimed that we were betrayed, and that we lost, that the people who are actually helping fight off the libs are traitors..

I believe this attitude in turn spawned a feeling of hopelessness and helplessness, and that people decided that going to the polls would do nothing to help, so they decided to just stay home...

Now, if the talking heads had stated this law sucks, but went on to reveal the bars of gold hidden in this ruling, the people would instead have realized that the good fight is being fought, that we have people who are dedicated to returning to constitutionalism, and that sometimes you need to take a step back in order to go forward, the masses may have turned out to vote, and we just may have been able to overturn fubocare, keeping the bars of gold in the ruling intact..

but, the talking heads have ratings to uphold, and they mean far more than the advancement of conservative principals....

you have been betrayed, not by roberts, but by the talking heads who are indeed entertainers first, republicans second, and everything else follows....


12 posted on 01/16/2013 7:01:40 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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Boehner and McConnell are pathetic.


13 posted on 01/16/2013 7:01:40 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

RINORomney and all his little RINOs were and have been attacking any and all Conservatives in the party since the MIDDLE of McCain’s run in ‘08!
Purgeing Conservatives is an ineffective strategy, you see.
THAT’s why the (spit)GOP loses.
Again, and again, you see.
Ask for $$$$$—then, please PLEASE just go awwaaaay.
In ‘12, Conservatives did.
Hence—the result.
Happy now, RINOs???


14 posted on 01/16/2013 7:03:58 AM PST by Flintlock (PARANOIA--means having all the facts.)
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To: Kaslin
To me, the GOP fails to get the basic message of conservative economics across to the public. Simply stated, the message is: A rising tide lifts all boats. Rather than the divisive Democrat message of "He gets 50% of the economic pie and I only get 10%, so gov't should take some of his away and give it to me", why not stress that if you get 10% of the economic pie but the pie doubles in size, don't you have twice as much now than you did before? The Dems use the class warfare idea, while the GOP's best response has been to yell "Oh yeah!" and no follow up. The GOP needs to figure out a way to tell the general public that success in business is good for everyone, including the gov't. Have any of you been hired by a poor person? I think the GOP needs to reframe the message that success for one is good for all.
15 posted on 01/16/2013 7:03:58 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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Jonah needs to get a major clue. In the House of Representatives, where Conservatives are hanging on by their fingernails, you can count on the fingers of both hands the number of Reps that have the balls to do what needs to be done.

The national GOP is next to worthless. They didn’t stand up on Bengahzi, they didn’t stand up on the fiscal cliff and it looks like they won’t stand up on the debt limit. What else is there? Worthless SOBs.

I’m sure the GOP doesn’t like hearing that kind of talk. Too bad they won’t be honest. Even with themselves.

The GOP is begging us to replace them.


16 posted on 01/16/2013 7:06:26 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Kaslin

Jonah is just another blind insider. The country would be vastly better off if Washington D.C. and it’s destructive legislation disappeared.


17 posted on 01/16/2013 7:07:46 AM PST by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I’m lucky to have one of those congressman I agree with more than I disagree. (by a wide margin).

I’ve got plenty of complaints about the GOP-e but only one for some conservatives. My only complaint with conservatives is the attitude that 1 vote we disagree with makes a congressman a traitor to conservatism. Michele Bachmann voted in favor of ethanol subsidies as a freshman but that hardly puts her in the same category as a Fred Upton or John Boehner.

My rule of thumb is that if I agree with any politician 100% of the time, one of us is lying.


18 posted on 01/16/2013 7:08:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
It's still good advice. It's not that the GOP isn't conservative enough, it's that it isn't tactically smart or persuasive enough to move the rest of the nation in a more conservative direction.

I've read some really dumb lines since the election, and the one above has got to be in the top 5.

Using Romney as an example, Romney's problem, we're being told here, wasn't that he was a pro-gay, squishi life, big government, gun grabbing, Benghazi overlooking, conflict avoiding liberal. This says his problem was that he couldn't persuade the rest of the nation.

Horse hockey....he couldn't persuade conservatives.

And what was he trying to persuade the nation of....that a Massachusetts liberal is far better than a Kenyan liberal???

19 posted on 01/16/2013 7:10:12 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: peyton randolph

Jonah beclowns himself....he just another tool for the lobby.


20 posted on 01/16/2013 7:12:03 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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