Posted on 12/17/2012 11:01:45 AM PST by fungoking
When something like this happens, I pretty much avoid all media except looking at Drudge and FR a few times a day.
Can’t stand the MSM approach.
How do you get I’m against guns and TOTAL freedom (I.e., we should be allowed to have fighter jets if we want) from that? I’m sick of these assumptions just because I tire of the old simplistic statements. Baseless.
The problem isn't public schools, it is the radicalization of them into indoctrination factories for the nanny state.
There are good, dedicated, values and conscience driven teachers in the public schools. The main problem is that there are not enough of them.
So apparently your whole point in posting was to warn HS’ing folks?
This has been their behavior for 25 yrs now....although granted it's more intense.
The Left must be wetting themselves.
Now they get to demonize gun owners, preppers, and homeschoolers.
Have they found out if she’s a Republican or a Freeper yet ?
No question it’d be better if people could just openly freely carry. But it’s still full of suppositions as the liberal view. Yes I’d rather they all had guns than not allowed, but it’s never that simple. Maybe 1 staffer would have a gun and be shot 1st thing, no one else getting it either. Having a guardian dog would be best - they alert everyone, they don’t hesitate to use their weapons, and often just the presence keeps the goons away, period. But I’m not denying they can be shot and killed before doing any good, either. It’s never as simple as our ideal scenarios.
We put them under those pressures because many of our main economic competitors are also putting their kids under the same pressure. To get any sort of merit money for college you have to walk on water. In addition once you get into college you better believe that the other kids, many 1st generation Americans, have pounded the books since they were little. You can’t fake your way in a Calculus or a Physics class. I am not having my daughter look at exclusive private colleges because the pressure/payback is just too great. I also rearranged her schedule so she would take online college classes instead of high school classes (she had four finals in one day in high school both semesters - in her hardest four academic subjects). The stress was awful. With online college classes she can set the time in which she takes her tests so the material may be comparable, but the preparation and stress level are optimized.
Using the Newtown massacre to discipline FReepers?
When the smoke settles and we find out more about this pathetic cowardly loser that masscared the 27 people, it would not surprise me in the least to learn that he was a guilt-ridden homosexual who couldn’t live with himself any longer because of his degenerate behavior. The mother he murdered being the one he blamed on his homosexuality. She probably made him wear dresses and put lipstick on. I am saying this because a a majority of mass murderers turn out to be homosexuals that hate themselves.
If I use half of your “handle” and half of mine, I’d be called “fungobat”. (For all those baseball fans!)
This was an extreme case of helicopter parenting and smother love. She probably removed him from public school because she didn’t like hearing that he was crazy as a bedbug and should be institutionalized.
The father who got himself a misteress and walked away from his troubled son is just as much to blame.
IMHO, the mother was just as crazy as the son.
May they both rest in peace. She has what she wanted. They are together forever now.
I’m just sorry that he didn’t shoot himself at home, right after he killed her.
Where’d you come up with fighter jets? How about exploding red herrings? Do you agree that teachers should be armed if they want. Or not. Simple question.
I have my tin foil hat at the ready.
A few weeks ago, I told my f-i-l that something horrible, something we haven't quite seen before was going to happen before December was out. And, I wasn't talking about 12/21; I meant before 12/21.
I told him it was going to be really, really awful, the likes we haven't seen before.
I don't mind them thinking I wear the tin foil hat. They think it is kind of weird, I guess. What has happened is so horrible I can't even process it yet. God bless the community where EVIL has landed.
God bless America. We really need the help.
“Nothing bizarre at all. The facts about the reason she took him out of school have been posted in several places, and I actually have experience working with the mentally ill. The defensiveness and misguided protective efforts (and state of denial) of some parents is well known.”
I think you were unfairly criticized by a few previous posters here — I thought your observations were good.
I have no experience with mental health issues at all (I ran RR engines for a living). But it looks to me like the mother either…
- Failed to recognize the descent the boy was experiencing (from having Asperger’s to something far worse, perhaps into schizophrenia), or
- Sensed that things might be getting worse, yet tried to ignore that in the hope that what she had done in the past would still work with him.
One news article (posted on Drudge) said that she had told someone that she was afraid that she was “losing him”. So it looks like she knew he was headed downwards (another news report said she had found him trying to burn himself with a lighter), but didn’t comprehend just -how far- “down” he actually was.
Her fatal misjudgment was in failing to comprehend that having weapons in close proximity to the boy might afford him the opportunity to do something unpredictable.
She didn’t see it coming, perhaps out of her own well-intentioned blindness.
“Starting, stopping, adding, subtracting, or adjusting psychiatric medications are times when a person is most vulnerable to going postal.”
I am also told that it is in the early to mid twenties when most mental patients have their first psychotic break.
Home schooling a kid with Aspergers doesn't make a Mom "overprotective", nor does getting an Asperger kid into a special engineering program and planning to live near the kid. Sounds to me like a Mom who wants to help her special needs kid.
"I think she simply refused to admit the degree of his illness,...
You just said that she was overprotective of his illness. Now you claim that refused to admit the degree of his illness. I would think that one who is protective of an illness, does so because they admit, at least to themselves that the illness is serious enough to need her assistance.
.. and once he was out of school, she had no more reality checks at all.
Here's a reality check for you. You are making things up without knowing the facts, basing your opinion on your own perceptions of expected behavior.
Now if you can demonstrate that this kid had a history of violence, and that the mother had a history of trying to sweep the violence under the rug, then that would be a valid point.
But you didn't demonstrate that.
Another one making things up.
The information I've seen so far only suggests that he was exibiting Asperger at the time that he was removed from public school.
It appears that the kid started acting "acting crazy as a bed bug" later, either while taking, or taking and then stopping, perscription psychotropic drugs.
I'm not going to flame you because it's apparent that the reason Mrs. Lanza took her son out of school is because they had no idea on how to deal with him due to his problems.
And rather than leave him in that alien environment she chose to try and help her son at home.........I probably would have done the same thing.
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