Posted on 08/15/2012 9:27:17 AM PDT by blam
Could this also be some kind of scam to filter ammo (illegally) to rebels in Syria?
You don't think they're going to push those old people into ditches while they're still alive do you? Next they'll have an open bid for trenching equipment...
...”Better stock up while you can, maybe the government knows ammo will get very scarce very soon”...
Maybe they are buying up the ammo so that it will not be available for others to buy. Are they worried that Americans are going to rebel against what is coming?
As a historical touchpoint-- it has been posited and was a Northern accusation in treason proceedings, with some data, that Jefferson Davis (when he was Sec. of War under President (D) Franklin Pierce in the runup to (D)Buchanan who was followed by (R) Lincoln and Secession) diverted and directed ammo and mil hardware to military bases in the South. These bases were later seized with the supplies upon Secession by the CSA. Just an observation.
There are some who think the one and bidmytime-en (the moron) and DNC would love race riots, civil unrest- and enact martial law to stop national elections. So there's that, also. Patterns and reality.
This is a way to stir people up, in Alinsky terms, to “penetrate their apathy”.
This topic has the advantage of links to the actual document, so it really can’t be debunked by Snopes-like debunkers. The National Weather Service actually is buying ammo, and here is the document to prove it.
You and I and many others know that cops buy ammo, but I am using this topic to expand and cement my email tree. I’ll send out the links with a “hey look at this any comments” type note, then pay attention to who responds and what the response is.
I include a rational explanation like yours, so I’m not trying to merely frighten people.
So far I have over 70 new nodes in my email political network. A useful thing to have in an election year!
Sensationalism sells?
It’s for when Hussein decides to threaten not to send out grandma’s check again.
Bingo. Just because the money for whatever nefarious purchase is charged to the Department of XYZ doesn't mean the items purchased won't eventually show up in the Department of Hussein's Civilian Army. Same with the Stimulus monies in that who knows where untold million dollar checks went.
Soc Sec has a private security company that uses revolvers, and it is also protected by the FPS, who use semi autos.
NOAA also has an enforcement unit, primarily focused on enforcing fisheries laws.
That is what I thought until I did the math. DHS has had two procurements this year, one for 450 million and another for 750 million rounds. That is a total of 1.2 billion rounds. At the height of the Iraq war our military was averaging 5.5 million rounds per month (.50 cal and smaller). That was not sustained for years, just at the peak of the war. If the DHS were to sustain that rate of fire it would take 218 months do deplete their supplies. (or a little over 18 years). It makes me think that at a minimum the government is going to create a shortage of ammo and in the process increase the cost of ammo. It is also a complete waste of taxpayer dollars. The worse case scenario for this is much worse ... Obama is building an army.
Yeah, right up there with 130 gr .270, 149 gr 7.62x51, or 400 gr .416 Rem Magnum, they're all the same delivered energy, right... /s
None of these Federal agencies have jurisdiction in an individual state. They always get local law enforcement involved when they knock on a door.
maybe when the cash benefits run out, the moochers will just be given ammo to procure goodies on their own.
The burden of proof is on the nutters and kooks to demostrate that there is something unusual going on, not on me to prove that nothing unusual is going on (though I've provided plenty of evidence of the latter.)
We have established that the SSA and the National Marine Fisheries Service have had small numbers of armed agents for years.
For example, here's a link showing all the Federal Agencies that get Firearms training; (Note that is is from 2007, BEFORE the Obama Administration):
Federal Law Enforcement Basic Training
Note that the Department of Commerce, National Marine Fisheries Service and the Social Security Administration OIG OI are on there.
Now here's the problem: Fed Biz Opps only lists solicitations from the last 365 days.
Obviously, Federal Agencies have bought ammunition for their armed agents before this year. BUT IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to reasearch Federal ammunition purchases for the last 10 or last 20 years, make a graph, and try to make some arguement that purchases in the last month have been abnormal, not mine.
I'm going to go with the crazy, out-there assumption that Federal Agencies with armed LEO have been periodically buying ammunition for decades. You can find evidence to disprove it if you like.
NOAA also has an enforcement unit, primarily focused on enforcing fisheries laws.
Ok, but don't they deal with administrative crime?
Seriously, how many Social Security criminals shoot outs have there been. ADA's and paralegals in the District Attorney's office don't carry.
As for NOAA's crappie cops, most of their work involves referrals from state Wildlife and Fish cops. What do they need guns for?
This whole arming of every damn Fed agency since 2001 has gotten waaay out of hand. Even hospitals have arms lockers, and I can tell you they're not closely watched if I spotted then from a gurney on the way to a CAT scan.
or perhaps they’re going to start issuing Desert Eagles. That reminds me, I want a Desert Eagle.
It’s an IDIQ solicitation.
If you don’t already know what IDIQ means, then you (and anyone else) has no business even commenting on the DHS solicitation. The problem is this whole non-story is based on people like Alex Jones who don’t know what an IDIQ is reading something they are not qualified to understand.
Anyway, it’s not an actual order for 1.2 billion rounds of ammo. The actual contracts awarded are likely to be be for much smaller quantities.
They just put in really enormous possible maximum numbers for each type of ammunition so there’s absolutely NO chance that the number needed for each type is exceeded. They asked each agency for their own absolute-maximum need and then ADDED all of those up (and if you work for a particular LE agency under DHS, the last thing you do is give them a number that you have ANY chance of exceeding, because then you are screwed, and there are no negative consequences for giving a high number.)
So that’s how you get 1.2 billion. It’s not a “real” number and nothing remotely close to that number of rounds will actually be purchased.
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