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Dear Arizona; Has SCOTUS made secession your only option
Monday, June 25, 2012 | Bob Ireland

Posted on 06/25/2012 12:13:28 PM PDT by Bob Ireland

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To: Bob Ireland

Take over congress and all this becomes moot.

It is very simple. We take over the senate via a veto proof majority. then no RINO rebellion from the WH.


101 posted on 06/25/2012 3:11:40 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Carry me back
***as they begin to lose their god, money***

You are right... look next for the Democraps to try to get the states above mentioned - who have been frugal and responsible in their spending - to bail out their profligate Democrap friends and happy spenders like Fornicalia and Michigan and Vermont.

102 posted on 06/25/2012 3:17:59 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: muawiyah

“The simplest and easiest thing to do is scour the state statutes to find every instance where there may be an existing federal pre-emption or even partial pre-emption and simply refuse to enforce such laws as convient to the state or local budget.”

This is a good idea. And, of course, the beginning of the end.


103 posted on 06/25/2012 3:20:24 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: halo66

Thanks for the link


104 posted on 06/25/2012 3:20:31 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: surfer
***Unfortunately Brewer doesn’t have the chops to do the right thing...
just remove Obama from the ballot***

Sounds about right... although I do not see a lot of hope in elections right now.

105 posted on 06/25/2012 3:21:09 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Tublecane
I'm not really saying that might makes right, as I don't believe that to be true, as that gets into the area of natural law, which is immutable.

I am saying that interpretations of civil and/or constitutional law in this area are meaningless, as the law is ultimately defined by force.

106 posted on 06/25/2012 3:22:25 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Jacquerie
***the people coming across the border without permission is far closer to that of invaders than to immigrants***

Absolutely! ...and they are not all 'Hispanic' either!

107 posted on 06/25/2012 3:24:07 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Carry me back
You'd find most of the country completely satisfied if some states, or parts, left the union.

Chicago, for example ~ then New York City, Long island and Connecticut.

Parts of Jersey, parts of Pennsylvania, parts of Michigan ~ Brownsville TX.

We can all make similar lists.

108 posted on 06/25/2012 3:26:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: The Duke
***Welcome to the fight! (again) :) ***

Steady, there, Banquo... ;-) I am mostly a lurker lately... but always ready when it is time to pick up the old muskets!
DOWN with the KING!

109 posted on 06/25/2012 3:27:34 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Carry me back
***the US government doesn’t have the reslove or power to stop them this time***

My thoughts, exactly.

110 posted on 06/25/2012 3:30:27 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: muawiyah
***completely satisfied if some states, or parts, left the union***

The names you mention are depending on the states I mentioned to bail them out for their outrageous over-spending.

111 posted on 06/25/2012 3:35:58 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: muawiyah

I’m not advocating it, though it wouldn’t bother me. The problem is the power in washington. I would like to see many states ban together and stop taking it on the chin from washington.


112 posted on 06/25/2012 3:36:20 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: Bob Ireland

Thanks for this thread. For almost 80 years we have been saddled with the failed Keynesian Economic System. It has bankrupted the US Federal Government.

The derivatives of the WW2 Wage and Price Control Dictates are as follows: Medicare, Medicaid, Romney”care” and Obama”care.”

There will be additional calls for State Constitutional Conventions if the Republicans try to preserve or retain ANY of Obama or Romney”care.”

Obama”care” is the Death Knell for America. It must be ABOLISHED FOREVER if America is to survive.

If Obama”care” does survive, then I favor Regional Areas of the former United States of America. I think the States that the XL Pipeline will run through makes excellent sense for one Region, called The Texas Region. The Mississippi Region would be those States that the Mississippi River runs through. Pacific and Atlantic Regions are obvious, as are the Rocky Mountain States.

In this way people could vote with their feet and move to a greater or lesser degree of personal Liberty.

The Great Experiment of forcing the United States of America back into the European Feudal System began with FDR’s Social Security System and will end with Obama”care.”

No need for armed conflict, as we have already tried that with our bloody Civil War.

Just hold State Constitutional Conventions, split up into multi State Regions, and hold Fourth of July “Remember When Days” once a year, as we thank our lucky Stars that we in NO WAy are like Europe.


113 posted on 06/25/2012 3:38:21 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Bob Ireland

Maybe you came up with the solution. AZ stops taking all federal money. This eliminates all entitlement programs. No welfare check and watch them all move to California.


114 posted on 06/25/2012 3:41:23 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Bob Ireland

Guess we need to adjust the text a bit. The government and all parties involved are criminal enterprises.

115 posted on 06/25/2012 3:43:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Terry Mross

Don’t forget that AZ re-elected mccain and Brewer won’t support taking obama off the ballot. I sure as hell don’t see secession in the future.

Brewer jumped in front of the cameras crowing how AZ had won. obama was waiting then told her the feds won’t accept any illegal aliens arrested under this law. I’m not convinced Brewer is as sharp and conservative as some think.


116 posted on 06/25/2012 4:00:02 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Graewoulf
***Just hold State Constitutional Conventions, split up into multi State Regions***

I have been scouring my files - but could not find :-( - a file about some Russian in the 90's who predicted the US would do just that by [now, I think].

Generally I have been a supporter of Keynesian economics - on a very moderate scale. We could never have produced so much wealth since WWII if we had stayed on the gold standard. I think where we went wrong with Keynes is, simply, greed. Trillions of $$$ on margins [of as little as a few %] and away too much debt on all sides has sunk Keynes - for good I hope. :-|

117 posted on 06/25/2012 4:18:26 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Jim Robinson
Hi, Trooper!

***The government and all parties involved are criminal enterprises***

Only because the Democraps have overthrown our normal Constitutional process - with the help of their lackey media, educators, state and local lieges, etc. They have truly transformed our 'Free Republic' into a banana republic.

I hope you are well... age is the worst tax we pay. ;-/

118 posted on 06/25/2012 4:23:11 PM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: arrogantsob

I believe that the constitution of Texas clearly states that it may remove itself from the Union if it desires to do so.

That was a carrot given to Texas to get it back into the union in the 1800’s.


119 posted on 06/25/2012 5:06:11 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Bob Ireland

My prediction is that in the very near future, AZ cops will undergo instruction on how to find an illegal in violation of an AZ state law — any AZ state law — that lets the state hold them. I would expect the state legislature to come up with some imaginative solutions to asssist in this regard.

As a show of solidarity, I’d like to call on every GOP legislature in the country to pass similar statutes.


120 posted on 06/25/2012 5:12:07 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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