Posted on 06/02/2012 8:58:03 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
You are correct that the two-party system is not found in the Constitution.
Does not change the fact that, perhaps unfortunately, it exists.
With the exception of the pre-Civil War period when the Whig Party fell apart, in every election where a third party played a significant role its primary effect was to elect the group the third party’s supporters most opposed.
Romney is so much better than Obama. This whole discussion is crazy.
Do the words, Supreme Court Justices, mean anything to you?
Anyone Most Likely To DEFEAT Obama
At this juncture once Primaries have passed, all the other arguments against Romney are both moot and counterproductive to ridding us of the socialist plague looking for a second shot to complete both fleecing us of our treasury and what's left of our freedom.
But if enough voters remain true to their core principles and refuse to be swayed from them, there is hope that the greater struggle for liberty and good government can be won
Agreed. No votes for socialists.
Actually, it’s no longer “ABO” — it’s “NBR”. Nobody But Romney.
Kinda puts a different spin on the rhetoric, doesn’t it?
“We have, for better and worse, a two-party system. A vote for a third party is wasted.”
I would disagree in this regard...
We have a multi-party system inside each of the two parties.
On the R side, we have everything from the John Birch Society to the Libertarians.
When a party runs a candidate that is not acceptable to the majority of those across the full spectrum,
the disaffected have strong temptation to support a candidate outside the party that best represents their
interests. To assume that just because someone has an R by there name means they share an equal passion for
every issue, is I think, a false assumption. The party is not monolithic in regards to interests.
THAT is where we are with Romney. He represents weakly, SOME fiscal ideas, weakly, SOME (but not all) social ideas,
and comes with a history of representing the opposite side of most of what many of us are committed to.
It is no surprise that he is not a much-loved candidate. It won’t be a surprise when some significant percentage
of our side goes fishing that day in November...
You are quite correct. I was being overly simplistic.
Our system operates on a coalition basis, just like a parliamentary system.
The only real difference is that in our system we usually put together the coalitions within the parties rather than between the parties.
Hey, easy now. I’ve never posted the ‘GOPe’ moniker until just now. I was merely answering your question. The “bastard” comment was uncalled for. My lineage is well documented, unlike the POTUS....
You’re going to blame your deadlocked confusion over the many better than Romney hopefuls on “this way of thinking”?
Nice projection, bud.
You folks should have foreseen that Obama’s singular abysmality would welcome a worse grade of GOP competitor than usual. And that Sarah declining to run would deprive you of a shoo-in. And done whatever needed to ensure you converged on a satisfactory candidate.
The GOPe out-organized you. They used you against yourselves in your confusion and division.
“Our system operates on a coalition basis, just like a parliamentary system.
“The only real difference is that in our system we usually put together the coalitions within the parties rather than between the parties.
Then we see things pretty much the same.
I would only add that a primary result like this - manipulated by one key dimension of the party (GOPeRINOs) - results in a forced and weak coalition that will go forth with power. It still may win, but many will feel there isn’t enough there to be passionate about and they will not join. It doesn’t represent the totality of the party. They are counting on the hatred of Obama to get those they ignored to the polls. McCain did this (forced to) in choosing Palin. Apparently, RINOmney is planning to choose a non-conservative.
I will be out at the polls, enthusiastically supporting every conservative I see. Non-conservatives will be skipped.
One surely has to ask, why is the Republican controlled Congress, doing nothing, absolutely nothing other than a few TV appearances by Issa, telling us he is getting ready to about, almost issue a contempt citation.
This is the result of voting for the lesser of two evils.
Romney is already pitching his tent noticeably wider with his refusal to condemn Trump, the birther.
I see many noses turned up over the Romney lemon. Fewer of them looking for ways to make lemonade out of it.
We sent a bunch of them to Congress last election. How many of them have not sold their soul to the GOPe? The Top of the ticket matters, and in that race we had only an illusion of a choice.
Illusion, schmillusion! Any of the other hopefuls, even Mr. Incomplete Political Picture himself (Ron Paul), would have fewer faults than Romney. The problem if anything was too MUCH choice. You think there’s passion in this thread? It is but a shadow of the “Tastes great!” “Less filling!” over Santorum and Gingrich, splitting conservatives and leaving them to wither in this divided state.
So are you Romney-supporters going to tell us when it is okay to criticize Romney's liberalism? Why do I have this feeling that many Romney supporters will insist that we have to be "team-players" if Romney gets elected? The sad thing is that Romney's record suggests that he'll adopt most of Obama's agenda but he'll place the Republican seal-of-approval on it. Rather than replacing Obama's abuses look for Romney to institutionalize them. Oh sure, he'll tear off the title page and rip out a page or two for appearances but in the end, Romney will give the liberals the book that they'll like.
The Constitution did not establish parties, the Elite did. Whether you like it or not, we have a Royal Class in this country, so bow down to your bettors, and fact the cr@p sandwich they have served up. They did however serve it with very good bread.
Ask yourself why every candidate and every talking head proclaimed they would support Romney if he was the nominee. What incentive was there for the GOPe to mollify their position, even after the embarrassing defeat of McCain, they just doubled down.
That makes Abe Lincoln's victory all the more stunning, doesn't it?
Sorry to dispell your mistaken notion, but I sure a heck ain’t a Romney supporter. I reluntantly went from Palin to Perry to Newt and voted Newt in our Texas Primary, this week.
Now its time to tell how the cow ate the cabbage and I don’t give a damn what Romney does once elected. At worst he will at least pretend the right things, at best may surprise us. What realistic options do we have???? Yes Siree Bob, it is down to ABO and Romney winds up with the bottle pointing at him!
Anyone now touting 3rd party is all but pulling the trigger on our national suicide.
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