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Perspectives: Heads they win, tails we lose [No ABO!]
St. George Utah.com ^ | June 1, 2012 | Bryan Hyde

Posted on 06/02/2012 8:58:03 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: greyfoxx39
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."

-- John Adams, Letter to Jonathan Jackson (2 October 1780), "The Works of John Adams", vol 9, p.511


21 posted on 06/02/2012 9:35:29 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Party like it's 1860.- America's Party - www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: EternalVigilance

And yet it happened. The electoral college system virtually guaranteed it. It’s possibly America’s biggest constitutional Achilles’ heel.

It would be interesting to puzzle out how the constitution could be rejiggered to welcome third parties without ending up with the perpetually shifting micro-coalitions of Eurotrashia.

In the meantime, the occasion to call out heroes is during the primaries. Open or closed, the GOP turnout for same this year stank worse than Barack Obama.


22 posted on 06/02/2012 9:39:37 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The time to get “the right stuff” was the primaries. Tea Partiers, bless their bitter clinging souls,

Wow, I didn't expect that from you HTRN.

Seems you are on the wrong web-site after all.

This is a site for Tea-Partiers, not GOP-E Boot lickers like yourself.

We vote our principles, not the crap the GOP-E serves up using dirty tricks, lies, open-primaries and the such.

If the GOP-E want's our vote, they'd better put up a conservative, not a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal like Mitt Romney.
23 posted on 06/02/2012 9:40:13 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: rogue yam; greyfoxx39
There are many admirable young up-and-coming leaders in the GOP.

True, but that lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal Mitt Romney isn't one of them, in fact, he is the exact opposite.


24 posted on 06/02/2012 9:44:20 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: X-spurt; greyfoxx39
Other than Mormon hatred, its hard to see your rational point.

Boring!

I don't know how much more facts, logic, historical comments from Mormon Leadership, and supporting information from Mormon foundational documents could be offered up as they have been to support the factual position that Mormonism is not Christian, but is, in fact, a cult.

Something I've learned from the Left-Wing is that when they pull out the Hate card, they have no more ammunition left in their argument with conservatives. Seems you've learned that same ugly, deceitful trick from them.
25 posted on 06/02/2012 9:50:08 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Can’t y’all take a bit of iron-y in your Geritols?

I bitterly clung with the best of them through the primaries. I was hopping up and down for Sarah Palin to enter the race. Then I cheered for Herman Cain. When he got Ratted out (I still wonder if any of those scandal allegations had any truth to them — more like women he did a favor did not want that to go unpunished), then Santorum was the champ — in Iowa and that’s it, and the One State Wonder petered out. Gingrich seemed promising with his experience at Contract With America. And now we saw a civil war of pot shots between Santorum and Gingrich aficionados, when either one would have been vastly preferable to Romney. If this reflects what happened in the outer world, then Tea Partiers have much to learn about being organized. Whatever the faults of “GOPe,” uncoordination was not among them.

The bed is made now. I’d rather go with the Mitt pillow than the Barack one.


26 posted on 06/02/2012 9:50:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: SoConPubbie

At least until yesterday or last year or last month or whatever


27 posted on 06/02/2012 9:52:27 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: SoConPubbie
True, but that lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal Mitt Romney isn't one of them, in fact, he is the exact opposite.

Some much financial clout and so little time to spend it.

28 posted on 06/02/2012 9:53:13 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The answer to the “puzzle” is simple. It is for the American people to begin to look exclusively at, and judge candidates solely by, adherence to the first principles of the republic, not something so trivial as a mere party label.


29 posted on 06/02/2012 9:58:07 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Party like it's 1860.- America's Party - www.SelfGovernment.US)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

New tagline...


30 posted on 06/02/2012 9:59:25 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Primaries are the time for the interesting action.

America’s response to finding the Mr. Wonderful most likely positioned to beat Barack Obama (whether we like it or not that was within the GOP) was a monstrous MEH.


31 posted on 06/02/2012 10:00:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Hey dude why not can the pretense and just write in Jesus Christ on your ballots. In every position. Everything else is a “tolerable” evil.

It wouldn’t be very biblical, of course. We know when the government is on His shoulders it won’t be due to any human election.


32 posted on 06/02/2012 10:03:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That way of thinking is what got us to where we are.

No thanks.


33 posted on 06/02/2012 10:03:25 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of the republic begins the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: SoConPubbie

What the hell is GOP-E?

It’s been on half the threads on FR for a year and I have never seen an explaination of what it is!


34 posted on 06/02/2012 10:06:51 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Sherman Logan; greyfoxx39
We have, for better and worse, a two-party system.

I disagree. The word "party" does not appear anyplace in the constitution or in any amendment to it.

We have a "party-not-mentioned" system, so to assert as so many have that it is a "two party system" is only to repeat an opinion about a current way of doing things.

Proof that this is so is that the Constitution only requires a plurality for election to the presidency.

35 posted on 06/02/2012 10:10:56 AM PDT by xzins (Vote for Goode Not Evil! (The lesser of 2 evils is still evil!))
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To: greyfoxx39
...the fraudulent two party system offers no real choice...

I prefer this "fraudulent two party system" to a possible one-party system.

If 'bam stays in, this is a real possibility.

Vote for Romney and you vote for a president, not a dictator. If 'bam wins it may not be so. Remember this.

Don't make 'best enemy of the good.'

ABO

36 posted on 06/02/2012 10:14:10 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: dalereed

GOP establishment


37 posted on 06/02/2012 10:32:42 AM PDT by Typelouder
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To: xzins
Proof that this is so is that the Constitution only requires a plurality for election to the presidency.

Inaccurate.

A majority of the Electoral College is required for election.

If the EC cannot come up with a majority, then the President is elected by a majority of the House, voting by state delegation.

In both cases, a majority vote rather than a plurality is required.

The President could theoretically be elected by the EC though winning something around only 25% of the popular vote. But then the popular vote is totally irrelevant to the election of the President.

38 posted on 06/02/2012 10:32:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Typelouder

Why don’t you lazy bastards type it out?


39 posted on 06/02/2012 10:34:50 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Actually it is the pussies bending over to the GOPe flavor of the month that got us here....


40 posted on 06/02/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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