Posted on 05/28/2012 9:15:30 PM PDT by AmonAmarth
Seems to me more like being asked if I want sarin or ricin ...
Which two did you think were the best, and would have made successful nominees and good Presidents?
I remember gingrich having zero chance yet hanging in there as Romney won races by 1 and 2 percent over Santorum.
Romney couldn’t win in the south and Gingrich couldn’t win in the north. Santorum was winning in both.
Now Obama gets a second term and the GOP slaves are desperately screeching for all to return to the plantation. If it sounds like I have zero respect for them, there’s good reason for that.
There has been a lot of paranoid thinking around this forum. I think things happened just as we all saw that they did. Mitt was experienced in running for President and was well-organized, hard-working, well-funded, and determined. He started early and kept at it. He learned from his mistakes and competed everywhere.
None of the others had all of these attributes and Mitt just beat them. The sniping between candidates was just what naturally occurs as partisans of any one pointed out the shortcomings of the others.
That’s ok. I’d rather not refight the wars of last autumn.
I’d rather stick to my general point, that we failed to unite.
The fact that we didn’t unite, and still couldn’t unite even if given another chance, means that whoever I name here as a “good candidate” will draw sniping and bitterness, so I prefer not to get into it.
I will repeat what I said about Perry (and again, I’m not saying he should have been or could have been the candidate): he was viciously maligned here on FR. A bunch of conservative posters acted like freaking French revolutionaries and it was really disgusting and obscene.
You talk about the GOP as if it was some person or small group working together and making decisions and issuing orders. This just isn't so. The GOP is 50 state organizations and hundreds of county committees, etc. The delegates have been chosen through a lengthy and distributed process, and they will not be told how to vote by the "GOP". You want Romney to be "dumped" but who has the right and power to do this? The voting has occurred and Romney won. Why are you suddenly calling for dictatorship just because you don't like the results?
You said that we had a lot of good candidates so I asked you to name two.
My point, which I made above, is that none of them were all that good.
I think that you in fact agree with me on this point which is why you didn’t name anyone.
They all had serious flaws which is why we didn’t unite around any one of them.
If a handful of people have done this then so be it. That did not cause our problems this year. Our problems this year were caused by not having an attractive, solidly-conservative candidate who got in and stayed in and ran well.
Every single non-Romney is/was better than Romney. Yet we failed to unite around one.
You want me to name one... I’m not really into that. I’m talking about a process that failed and I gave a stark example of how it failed: the miserable treatment given to Perry.
But anyway, they were ALL better than Romney. Every single one of them.
And most were better than the crop of 2008.
Its a political party...
You can get away with doing things “for the benefit of the party” at the convention.
It would be rather easy to “convince” enough of the delegates to ABSTAIN from voting in the first round, if there was a coordinated effort to do so, which is why a blame the GOP if this happens.
Say what you want... ANY party that nominates a socialist is worthy of NOTHING but my CONTEMPT!
Feeling strong emotions is a very different thing than having coherent ideas.
What is NOT coherent about using the rules to avoid nominating a socialist?
F’ing di—
“Our problems this year were caused by not having an attractive, solidly-conservative candidate who got in and stayed in and ran well. “
So what? We have a convention that has rules. One of those rules is that the delegates cannot vote for anyone other than who they were “assigned” to vote for in the firat round. However... They CAN abstain from voting in the first round. If enough abstain then NO ONE gets the required number of delegates to become the nominee. If that happens they proceed to vote 2 - (however many it takes) but now, all delegates are free to vote for WHOMEVER they please... ANYONE.... Not just who ran in the primary...
Im pretty sure the conservatives will group around a candidate before its done. (without the interference of the media and “progressives”)
In that case, there is no way Romney walks out with the nomination.
Newt was handing Mitt his rear end in the national polls back in December.
Then along came Santorum and look what happened.
There were a couple that I would rather have had as the GOP nominee than Romney, but that isn't the real issue.
The real issue is that, taken alone, none of them was particularly attractive. This is what kept the primary electorate from coalescing around any one of them.
There are delegates who are pledged to vote for Romney.
These individuals were chosen as delegates because of this pledge. Romney got the votes and so his delegates were chosen.
Why should these delegates renege on their pledges and abstain from voting? They gave their word. Why should they go back on this now?
There is just no reason to what you suggest.
You want a different result so you are sitting there stating that someone should somehow order the delegates to do what you want.
This is nothing but narcissism on your part.
National polls choose neither nominees nor Presidents.
Herman Cain had some good polling numbers too, briefly.
Some want to claim that Santorum sank Newt. Others claim that Newt blocked Santorum.
Both Santorum and Newt were deeply flawed as candidates and both got beat.
That’s how it goes.
No ordering...
Most of these delegates are interested in the health of the party and country. If they were convinced that the health of the party and country would be in danger if romney were nominated, then convincing them to abstain wouldn’t be a hard task. It would be even easier if a contingent of well known and respected GOP “leaders” were the ones doing the convincing.
Talk all you want.... The ONLY legitimate outcome in your mind at this point is nominating a socialist as the GOP candidate...
I simply cant even begin to reconcile that... It doesn’t F’ing COMPUTE!!!!
ANYTHING we do to change that outcome is JUSTIFIED! The fact there are folks who are NOT willing to do WHATEVER it takes to stop a socialist from being nominated by the GOP makes me wonder about their sanity and or their intentions...
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