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Posted on 05/22/2012 11:30:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Yes it is. To ask the difference between President Washington and the guy who renounced his citizenship and moved to singapore, is a joke.
RE: The guy had the right to movement,
Thank you, that’s all I want to hear from you. That is IN KEEPING with the spirit of the Declaration of Independence
RE: he is scum for renouncing his American citizenship.
Again, WHY? You keep using a word without telling us why that word describes the man.
RE: And yes, I do have a double standard when it comes to America, it is my old fashioned patriotism and nationalism, which seems dead among some
No one begrudges you your preference of how to deal with things. What we question is your denunciation of someone who OBEYS and FOLLOWS American laws to deny an increasingly coercive government the means to be coercive to other Americans.
RE: To ask the difference between President Washington and the guy who renounced his citizenship and moved to singapore, is a joke.
No it is NOT. There are similarities.
England is to Washington what Singapore is to Saverin.
In fact, it can be argues that what Washington did was even more drastic that Saverin’s.
Hard to believe that the little scum has you guys digging through American history like a bunch of leftist freaks from DU tearing down our founders and ancestors, because some little twirp renounced America, and tossed our citizenship back at us.
George Washington, and Eduardo? jeesh.
That was a very weird post, even stranger than the others.
RE: George Washington, and Eduardo? jeesh.
Outrage is not reasoning. That only tells us about your way of approaching arguments.
You still have not answered the question — WHY IS SAVERIN SCUM?
RE: That was a very weird post, even stranger than the others.
Your singular talent is using adjectives like “scum” and “weird” without so much as showing how they apply. The above is just one exhibit.
You have your hero, and I will keep George Washington and no, I will not explain why he and the young guy who merely paid his lawyer to get rid of his citizenship, are different.
USA was the original “ Galt’s Gulch” where refugees from European Monarchical stupidity went to hang out and be left alone. Now we’re stuck with Marxist European stupidity... “
? Singapore?
In fact, it can be argues that what Washington did was even more drastic that Saverin’s."
Exactly. We all love GW now because he won and his side got to write the history and the laws we live under. Ask a brit how they feel about George he is not some mythical superhero to them, he is and always will be a traitor to the English people. Saverin is just some guy who happens to be rich leaving get over it, we need to work on making our nation one that brings people IN not makes it so erroneous that they are fleeing us.
Washington is a hero to us because he stood up to the crown and had to kill to do it which is the most extreme form of rebellion but in all rebellion those who fight for it are by definition traitorous to the standing government. I personally prefer Franklin as a guide to individual liberty and freedom he knew all to well the dangers of not limiting government. Arguably our government has left us and is now actively at war with the American people.
RE: You have your hero, and I will keep George Washington and no,
The fallacy in your argument is to assume that just because I question your use of the word “scum” to describe Saverin therefore:
1) I am equating his greatness to Washington.
2) I am therefore saying that Washington is not my hero.
Those are bogus conclusions.
I am simply showing SIMILARITIES regarding what they did, and arguing that Washington was NOT SCUM for abandoning his country England. And neither was Saverin.
All arguments of this form “Washington is my hero and Saverin is yours” are BOGUS.
Don’t post someone else’s quotes as mine and then respond to them.
My mistake is this :
England is to Washington what Singapore is to Saverin.
The correct analogy is England in 1776 is to Washington what America today is to Saverin.
But thanks for your post.
I’ll fill you both in on something, you can discuss tax policy and tax law without making a hero out of some little piece of trash who renounced America, and you do not have to attack the American founding and heroes to do it.
If you want to discuss tax issues, just do it without all the left wing anti-Americanism, don’t confuse renouncing American citizenship with heroism, and showing up to fight a bloody revolution as a patriot and as a defender of your home.
I’ll fill you in on something else — DON’T CREATE AN ARGUMENT THAT PEOPLE NEVER MADE AND THEN ATTACK IT.
That’s a strawman argument.
We did not say that Saverin is a hero. We never said he was as great as George Washington. You created those out of thin air and then force fit it to be our arguments when you know full well they aren’t.
We are questioning your use of the word “scum” to describe what Saverin did when you know full well that it was his right, and what he did was LEGAL.
RE: don’t confuse renouncing American citizenship with heroism,
Again, at what point did we call Saverin a hero?
Questioning your calling him a scum bag is not calling im a hero.
And don’t confuse a LEGAL and MORAL right to do something with being a scumbag.
There you are, you are the one fighting tooth and nail because some veteran dare insult some piece of trash that renounced his American citizenship.
My how the right has changed, it used to be only the lefties who were so anti-American.
RE: don’t confuse renouncing American citizenship with heroism,
Hey, logic is logic. You can insult him anytime you wish, it is your right as well.
But the question still stands ( which you have not answered ) — why does exercising a right as provided for by law make one a scumbag?
Just like your calling Santorum a poster boy for the pro-choice movement in a previous thread ( ignoring all he did for the pro-life cause ), you are at it again here.
I thank you for your service to the country, but that does not give you the right to use illogic in this thread.
And no, the right hasn’t changed, your arguments are the ones that are questionable.
Really dragging in other threads?
No wonder that you do not understand that the act of his renouncing his American citizenship makes him scum, it is an old patriotic thing, you evidently can’t understand it.
Just another one of the pieces of America that has been bred out of the young.
Even as we speak many American ex-pats are starting to find it difficult opening bank accounts in many places.
Yes, I realize this is going on. However, it is not impossible to find bank accounts outside the United States. Besides, it was my impression this law is targeted towards people who have given up their US citizenship. If you're not a US citizen, then there shouldn't be a problem getting a bank account. My point was, once a person gives up citizenship and gets their money out of the US, how do those in Congress propose to get it back? Do they think these folks are going to voluntarily send in a check? You'd have to make damn sure you never wanted to re-enter the country though.
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