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1 posted on 05/02/2012 10:17:01 AM PDT by Mozilla
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I fully share your indignation at the establishment wing of the Republican Party, at their dirty campaign waged on behalf of Romney, at their pusillanimity in fighting budget battles since January 2009, and their fecklessness in opposing Obama care. I am viscerally angry at their elitism and condescension.

But I believe you are overstating the case. The millions of Republicans and independents are not as ideologically driven as we are, most of them do not even know what has us so agitated. They are not political junkies and in their millions they do not read Free Republic, as influential as this forum is beyond its numbers.

They will look at Romney and see a telegenic personality who makes few gaffes and will do well enough in the debates and decide that he is a viable alternative to Obama whom they are eager to get rid of if they can safely do so. They will vote for him because he is "Presidential."

Today's employment numbers, confirmed by Rasmussen's polling on unemployment, about to be echoed Friday by the larger employment numbers for April, following on the heels of the downward revision of GDP, coupled with high gas prices at the pump, all spell defeat for the incumbent.

I think in retrospect you will see this moment as the turning point in the polls and all of those yellow states on the electoral college map will go to light blue and even the light blue states such as Pennsylvania and Wisconsin will turn yellow.

The Grand Old Party is not dead and finished yet. The spirit of 2010 is not dead either and neither are the reforms of 2010. We see evidence of this right now in Indiana and Utah, so Romney cannot do otherwise than take note and conform his electioneering and, hopefully, his governing accordingly. We are as a movement not imploding, we are indignant and rightly so, but conservatism will ultimately prevail against the elitists of the Republican Party.

In the meantime, it is well to understand that this country is hurtling toward a cliff, or, to change the metaphor, it is standing on the railroad tracks in the path of an onrushing debt crisis. We simply don't have five more years to ignore it and survive as a viable republican democracy. The numbers showing a shrinking GDP, a shrinking job market, shrinking small business climate, all tell us that the collision cannot be long avoided. We simply do not have five more years.

This is not the time to walk into the polling booth muttering: "I'll show you, I'll kill me."


34 posted on 05/02/2012 11:09:28 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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I have no illusions regarding a Romney presidency. But I do know two things to be true.

1—We cannot survive another four years of BO
2— Even if the GOP keeps the House and wins a Filibuster proof Senate, BO will continue his destructive path.

Change will not come unless we fight this battle on all levels from local to state to federal. We cannot and will not take our country back until we take our neighborhoods and communities back.

We must fight from the bottom up. In the meantime we must preserve what we can at the federal level. My conscience tells me it is wrong to do anything to help Obama. It does not mean Romney would get a pass. I am sure I will be fighting him every step of the way should he win. I am prepared for that. But we need ABO if only as a placeholder while we work from the bottom up.

Everyone must follow their own hearts. Assuming Romney is the nominee, I don't understand voting 3rd party or not voting insuring a BO victory anymore than others understand my ABO position. It does not mean I am pro-Romney. I am anything but. We are all fighting the same war, but disagree on the best way to fight it.

Maybe I should add a third truth:
--3 As long as there is such animosity between the 2 groups, we are destined to fail.

35 posted on 05/02/2012 11:12:32 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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A Romney presidency would be a disaster of epic proportions that would be as bad as a second Obama term.

Objection! Arguing facts not in evidence.

How about we let Romeny have a term, and then if he's really just as bad as Obama, then I'll join you in voting Obama back in?

40 posted on 05/02/2012 11:19:24 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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So who elected the Bishop in the primaries? Who cast the votes? The evil Establishment? Not the base? It is a series question.


42 posted on 05/02/2012 11:27:31 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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As much as I dislike Romney...OBAMA MUST GO!...Then we can work on Romney!


44 posted on 05/02/2012 11:33:33 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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'The guy is a progressive who infiltrated the republican party.'

Your premise is wrong. The GOP is not conservative or a party for smaller Gov't. It has been decades sine they were.

The idea that Romney is a RINO is absurd. He is what the GOP are.

It is the problem of GOP voters who suffer the Battered person syndrome. No matter how bad the GOP treats them, they still come back. Throw in the scares of the other guy is worse, and you have their strategy.

45 posted on 05/02/2012 11:42:52 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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Nice meaty post, worthy of a print-out. Thanks.

Voted Republican since 1980. Never considered myself a Republican. Gave support to individual Republican candidates and will continue to do so, but now only to Conservatives in word and deed.

Never gave money to the GOP so they won’t miss me in the future, except of course all the votes for RINOs I might have given unwittingly.


46 posted on 05/02/2012 11:43:13 AM PDT by Resettozero
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I’m not used to reading a FR post saying, “Everybody’s lying! Nobody’s honest except me and Joe Arpaio!” If I believed this, I’d agree that both the GOP and our republic are doomed. Maybe they are. Before Fort Sumpter, Lincoln opined that the anger in the nation was so high that “the only way out would be through” to one side or the other prevailing. Maybe his opinion was right then, and again now. I hope you’re wrong, and I hope that a new Lincoln will arrive. I’ll hope, and stand firm on real thin hope.


47 posted on 05/02/2012 11:47:23 AM PDT by Grampa3711 (Some people bring happiness wherever they go; others, whenever.)
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Sorry, nothing’s going to implode. The citizenry of this country feels satisfied with the political system, “the best on the planet”, to even quote some members here, dissatisfied with what’s going on as the rest of us. Americans are complacent, and passive, happy more or less with the status quo. Hey, over 90% of the willing are employed. Are my former ex-colleagues at work going to change their voting habits because I’m unemployed and suffering? Out of sight, out of mind.

Since Bush Daddy, GOP has put forth candidates of the happy status quo, even today, as a bona fide Communist is hijacking the country in plain view. But who’s noticing it? Certainly not the Wal Mart shoppers, not the Americans Idle viewers. Everything’s going fine for the citizens, 99% of whom don’t read this and similar forums, and don’t listen to the radio shouters.

Europeans, Latin Americans live through turmoils, wars, changes in government, all giving them no reasons for complacency. By having such a stable political system we have put the citizenry to sleep unaware of the peaceful Communist takeover taking place in Washington and in state capitals. Things will go on as before, the RAT party the equivalent of a European Communist Party and GOPee the equivalent of a Socialist Party.


61 posted on 05/02/2012 1:34:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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