Marco Rubio is a Natural Born Citizen, just like John Fremont and Chester Arthur

Human Events ^ | April 26, 2012 | Michael Zak

[itsahoot]

what type of citizenship does birth under a protectorate status convey?

Perhaps you should consult with Arlen Specter, he was very persuasive inserting totally irrelevant Scottish Law B$ into the impeachment trial of the language expert.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Zak was once a FReeper. He posted mindless pro-GOP propagandist pablum (I don’t mean Conservative, either) and when he’d be questioned on it, he’d refuse to answer. He got the ZOT.

[know-the-law]

But according to the criteria being presented today, just being born on American soil would make ANYBODY a NBC.

That would include blacks, slaves, chinese, everybody, therefore we would not need the 14th amendment and yet we have the 14th amendment!!!

The passing of the 14th amendment destroys their NBC arguement, but it also exposes the fact that the 14th means something else.

Go back to post #31 and watch the video...

[X-spurt]

No... He is a citizen by birth no different than any “anchor baby”, not a Natural Born Citizen as defined by the Constitution and Common Law on whiuch the Constitution is based.

You can turn it and twist it anyway you want, but unless you propose ignoring the Constitution, it changes nothing.

[itsahoot]

I wish to hell every purist here on FR would have their entire past actions, deeds and mistakes published here on FR for the world to see.

I wish to hell all the race baiting open borders pimps would leave. No Brains would be a better screen name for you since obviously the one you have is a cover.

[know-the-law]

“Go back to post #31 and watch the video...”

Here I saved you the trouble of having to go back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6b4YrXayzE

http://www.dirtyunclesam.com/

[edge919]

Except it wasn’t, historically. It was translated as “natives.” And the point is that Vattel was therefore NOT what the founders could have been referring to when they used the term, “natural-born citizens.”

Sorry, but you're only looking at one word in the overall passage about "Citizens and Natives" as translated from the French words "Des citoyens et naturels" ... It is talking about citizens and natural citizenship at birth through their fathers.

[itsahoot]

Chester Arthur was not. Leo Donofrio has pretty well shown here and in other posts that Arthur defrauded the nation.

Well then the precedent has been established, so all these stupid arguments are just not relevant anymore.

Long Live the King. And his lawyers.

[familyof5]

Very good, but I would say that the three kinds of citizens are 1)naturalized, 2)Native born, 3)Natural born. Many confuse Native born with Natural born and there is a difference.

[X-spurt]

To that pojnt you are correct, which brings us further down the next road ofverifying whether Cuba was a US Protectorate at the time of the Senator’s birth as it relates to his father and possibly mother (not assuming she had previously been naturalized) or had the legal sovernty of Cuba changed prior to that date.

[itsahoot]

We must go by the “text” of the law.

Apparently we must go by whatever the King says it is, since not one citizen has standing to challenge what he says.

[itsahoot]

What if his parents were born in Puerto Rico, also a protectorate?

What if they were just deemed to be citizens under ritual Scottish Law?

Can't you give this cr@p a rest?

[itsahoot]

But they were born on this soil also, so they would be NBC and no need for the 14th...

Indians were not made Citizens under the 14th either, how about that.

[know-the-law]

You absolutely correct.

It’s called a treaty

[itsahoot]

(For those of you in Rio Linda, Chief Justice Roberts is a conservative Republican appointed by GWB.)

For those of us that live in the real world all you can state for a fact is Chief Justice Roberts was appointed by GWB.

The totality of the rest of your post is prime fodder for the likes of the ACLU, and not worthy of a forum that is known for understanding plain English. You on the other display a talent that could produce several books explaining what three simple words mean, to helps us idiots that already know all too well what they mean.

[know-the-law]

As a slave, you have NO RIGHTS

[X-spurt]

Yes and which satisfies NBC.

[itsahoot]

Apply it to all future births and the debate is done.

Already done, no need for any further debate.</sarcasm>

[itsahoot]

I hope and pray that the People never forget the reason why the 2nd Amendment was proposed and ratified

Nancy Pelosie last week proposed that the first amendment be ammended and of course they have actually just ignored the 2nd for years. When I was born, no one not even the police questioned my right to carry a firearm in my car, they really weren't all that comfortable with slapped on the hip firearms but I never got stopped toting a shotgun or rifle.

Younger people will have to take up that argument, I am done, if I don't die soon of natural causes, I imagine the pain pill treatment plan that Zero plans to offer will speed my departure. It will become law, no doubt in my mind.

[wideminded]

I should not have used “natural” in number 2, I should have used “citizen.” ...

That wording differentiates between “citizen” and “natural born citizen.”

Yes, but a "citizen" could be naturalized. A naturalized citizen is a citizen. So that still makes only two categories.

Both senators and representatives can be foreign born and naturalized. BTW here is a list of current and former US politicians who were born in foreign countries.