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Posted on 04/25/2012 6:54:15 PM PDT by Caleb1411
Perhaps you should actually talk to a few kids that are in school, where you will find that this is already being taught, to the total exclusion of Christianity.
Schools now have rooms with little rainbows on the door so the gay, lesbian, transgender, or transvestite can easily find a safe room, on the other hand Christians are on their own and subject to ridicule.
And more than 1200 scientists whose first name is Steve have signed a statement that says, "Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry." Steves account for about 1% of scientist; you can do the math. Not that the fact that more scientists named Steve express support for evolution than all those that expressed skepticism means that evolution is valid. But hey, they didn't start the numbers game.
You said: “I wouldn’t exactly call that a ringing condemnation of evolution theory. Of course you should examine the evidence carefully. What scientist wouldn’t agree with that?
What scientist wouldn’t agree with that? Scientists routinely ignore things that don’t fit their worldview. All I did was point out one example. I can give you many others if you’d like.
The School Board in Rio Rancho, New Mexico went down this road in 2005. It didn’t end well, even though the whole intent was simply to allow discussion of alternative theories of the origins of life.
I was living there when this first went down, and I personally know 3 of the 5 members of the board at that time.
Some organization has a bunch of links about the issue here: http://www.nmsr.org/riorncho.htm
The media, with their usual facility for dumbing everything down to the simplest imaginable soundbites, universally claim that the Tennessee "monkey law" forbade the teaching of evolution. It really forbade telling kids that we came from animals, no more than that, and for just the reason you bring up.
Why are we always told that the law prohibited the teaching of evolution outright? 1) It promotes the perception that opposition to evolution is ignorant religious obscurantism, and 2) It conceals the real reason for evolution's appeal to those who are pushing it.
It depends on how the terms are defined.
I can give you a modern tree that's buried across a couple of hundred million years of strata.
Sounds more plausible than the story about the Magical Miller-Urey Monster who created life from non-life against all known rules of organic chemistry...
They will say that your example does not apply because blah blah blah exception, exception, peer review blah blah, and you are not a scientist so you wouldn’t understand anyway.
Suggestion: take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles'_Creed
In particular, note the beliefs expressed therein and the changes made to that Creed in 2011.
***Exactly. Show me a fossilized velociraptor with a fossilized rabbit in its stomach and I’m a creationist, no doubt about it.***
Dr. Carl Werner was challenged about the theory of evolution by a friend. He decided that if he could find modern organisms in the same strata as dinosaurs that would falsify evolution.
He spent 30 years of his life visiting dino digs and museums. He found fossils of every modern species and genera in the same strata as dinosaurs..... including the rabbit that you mention.
He chronicled the whole thing in a book called “Evolution: The Grand Experiment - Living Fossils” There’s also a DVD out on it.
You can check out his books at Amazon. He also has some Youtube stuff out there.
Normally what happens when this kind of evidence is produced to a disciple of evolution they start with the ad hominems. They call the author a quack, a liar and a fraud. That way they never have to confront the actual issue and the evidence that he presents.
I hope, Notary that you aren’t one of those.
In my previous post (#51) I meant to say “many species and genera” not “every”.
I came across the word cladistics in "Darwin's Ghost" by Steve Jones ... a modern rewrite of Darwin's "Origin of the Species," with the same exact chapter names in Darwin's work.
Following is from Wikipedia ...
"History of cladistics The term clade was introduced in 1958 by Julian Huxley, cladistic by Cain and Harrison in 1960, and cladist (for an adherent of Hennig's school) by Mayr in 1965.[6] Hennig referred to his own approach as phylogenetic systematics. From the time of his original formulation until the end of the 1980s cladistics remained a minority approach to classification. However, in the 1990s it rapidly became the dominant method of classification in evolutionary biology. Computers made it possible to process large quantities of data about organisms and their characteristics. At about the same time the development of effective polymerase chain reaction techniques made it possible to apply cladistic methods of analysis to biochemical and molecular genetic features of organisms as well as to anatomical ones."
There's a lot to be learned out there Folka.
It’s so obvious how one-sided your ‘research’ of the crevo debate is. If the TOE really has a billion ‘just-so’ data points then there are somewhere on the order of trillions of data points ignored, covered-up and discarded that support creation and young ages.
DNA code can neither write nor improve upon its’ origins - it required an intelligence far superior to anything science could ever produce.
101 Evidences for a Young Age of the Earth...And the Universe
http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth
Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html
Typo. “Folka” should be folks.
There’s more than enough evidence in the 2 links in my prior post to put the evo theory to shame.
Even Darwin himself admitted if you do not find thousands upon thousands of transitional fossils that TOE completely falls apart. Darwin was a major racist headcase and much more a failure than a scientist.
You folks who always want to shine the evo science credentials and your fearless leader is sore lacking any at all. Just the math alone leaves you needing more than trillions of years for mutations to ‘have enough time.’
You make good points. I can guarantee you, however, that evolution teaches, or at a minimum implies in HS texts that all animals have a common ancestors, and that we DID “evolve” from lower life forms. Blessings, Bob
I understand theory. The point is, in practice, it’s obvious that gravity EXISTS and WORKS.
Meanwhile, it’s not even intuitively obvious that anything such as evolution should exist. You have to deliberately “theorize” on it, because otherwise you cannot prove to Joe Schmoe beyond doubt that it exists. If it were so obvious, paleontologists wouldn’t keep changing their minds about what different dinosaurs are or what they did or ate or how they stood (never mind the new revelation that apparently so many of these animals had feathers, which at least has real evidence). They can’t even test their theories. That’s all it is - theory. They often base things on what they know of existent animals. All they can REALLY say is, “this creature existed”.
I am a mechanical engineer; not a specialized science expert, but I do know something about science.
Can you please elaborate on your reasons for including a reference to The Apostles' Creed and how it was changed in 2011. How does this support your position?
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