Posted on 04/25/2012 2:49:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
>>I think it is a slam dunk to find Corey in an ethics violation.<<
Thanks for the info. I do hope it comes to pass. She can be the new Nifong.
I am fearful of the hearing today, when George has to face the judge and explain why the $204,000 wasn’t disclosed. It’s certainly not likely to please the judge, when George’s case relies so much on his honesty.
Zimmerman won't be there. I don't think the judge is going to be angry. O'Mara wasn't aware of the resource, and for now, I think O'Mara has placed the resource out of Zimmerman's reach so that it doesn't give him an incentive to avoid the court's power and potential adverse judgment.
Today's hearing is mostly about public access to the state's case. It's trivially easy to satisfy the court that Zimmerman is no more of a flight risk today, than he was a week ago.
You turned out to be correct, as usual. I watched most of the hearing. The judge wanted more facts before he ruled, and didn’t seem upset at all. He is one professional, cook cucumber. He wasn’t even sure if he has the power to rule on the money. I guess it would depend on who has control of it. It’s possible Zimmerman didn’t even know how much was there last week at the bond hearing. But it sure gave ammunition to the Trayvon supporters.
Now that O’Mara has control of the money, I wonder how Zimmerman is going to eat and have a place to stay. The money has to come from somewhere.
Did you see that they may even disclose the donor list? Since I’m on it, it does concern me.
I'm sure O'Mara will provide an allowance of sorts, pay the bills for Zimmerman. The money is there, and O'Mara disclosed to the court that Zimmerman had been using it for living expenses. I'm sure the court has no problem with that sort of usage, whatsoever.
-- Did you see that they may even disclose the donor list? --
Yes, but I'm not sure how transparent that is. I have a paypal account, and it uses my PayPal handle. I do have a confirmed name and address, but I don't believe that information appears in a PayPal statement. When I've had receipts into my PayPal account, they are id'd by PayPal handle.
That said, O'Mara will figure out a way to get the accounting to the state, without disclosing donor information. Donor ID is irrelevant to the state's concern, which is cash resources available to Zimmerman. The source of the money is irrelevant. The fact that the money is there is the only relevant consideration. The Court wants to know the timing of cash flow, to investigate whether or not Zimmerman's family knew or should have known of the resource, and whether O'Mara knew or should have known (all that being before the bond hearing).
Do you know of a good place to see the court hearings? This one wasn’t even on CNN, but I found it live here: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/
Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be any way to record it that I could figure out.
“when challenging candidates for the jury, the questions of media exposure to the presidents speech and the follow up propaganda could most certainly be asked”
It was a few comments after being directly asked about it, not a speech; unless you’re talking about some speech with which I’m unfamiliar. That being said, well, yeah, Obama could taint potential jury members, but that’s a very weak and indirect way for Obama to violate due process. It would be based less on his authority as a government figure than his being a celebrity. Though, of course, he is a celebrity because he’s a government figure.
But I really do think his violating due process would have to come from him intefering in an official capacity, not from casual comments at a press conference. Which comments, by the way, fell far short of “String Zimmerman up!” You might as well charge Spike Lee, or the entire MSM for that matter, with violation of due process according to that logic.
“the presidents propaganda initiative on the case”
I disagree with this characterization. Look, the president is a lot of things, politically almost all of them bad. But he did not carry out a propaganda initiative against Zimmerman. Perhaps Democrat operatives did, less likely administration officials in official capacity did. If they did so, I’m not aware of it. If it happened, it probably would have been part of drumming up a federal case of some sort against him, rather than an attempt to influence state criminal procedings.
If they did influence state procedures, it was behind the scenes and therefore not propaganda.
“This also violates the whole issue of the presumption of innocence. It is the greatest weakness created by HOW fascism works.”
It would be the most subtle form of fascism I’ve ever seen. What I think’s going on here is that you’re mistaking the whole big propaganda job by the MSM against Zimmerman with the eensy weensy little sliver of participation in it by Obama. He evinced pro-Martin/anti-Zimmerman sympathy, but it hardly consisted of an insurmountable prejudicing of the potential jury pool.
I happen to believe presidents shouldn’t comment on ongoing cases, even casually. But them doing so does not erase the possibility of avoiding a show trial. Arguing otherwise is frankly in the realm of wild conspiracy theorizing.
“which can indeed lead any reasonable person to conclude that this is a political show trial”
If it’s a show trial, it is at the state level. As for Obama’s connection, every potential jury member interviewed, when asked if they’ve seen any news coverage of the case, may respond, “Yes, the president says he’s guilty, and therefore I say bring on the chair!” In that case, yes, it would be Obama’s show trial. But that won’t happen. At most, the president’s comments will be one of many, many news pieces influencing them.
“This case reminds me of the Dreyfus case”
I can see similarities, especially in the drastic overcharge. I’d be less likely to say it was an out and out set-up had Zimmerman been charged with manslaughter. It’s certainly set the ideologues against eachother. But, again, it is not a federal case, and therefore less resembles Dreyfus. At most it’s Florida’s Dreyfus.
No. CNN cuts away, and that MyFoxOrlando site showed only 3 or 4 minutes of the hearing today, probably missing the important prts becsue the press is focused on the non-issue of Zimmerman's website getting a good pile of donations.
I casually dig around looking for sites with raw informaion and direct quotes, but so far don;t have much in the way of "magic" to make it easy.
Actually, I believe the MyFoxOrlando site showed the whole hearing live, but doesn’t have it on its website now.
The reason I think that is because this site: http://cfnews13.com/chat.html did a live chat throughout the hearing (which is still on their website), so I know that I saw most of the hearing on the MyFoxOrlando site even though I missed the very beginning of the hearing.
Thanks for the document sites.
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