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The Fallacy Of Bugging Out – Are You Prepared To Be A Refugee?
SHTF Plan ^ | 4-19-2012 | Survival Acres

Posted on 04/19/2012 4:44:54 PM PDT by blam

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To: blam
I believe this article is *much* more right than wrong. Where the author is wrong is in the assumption that one does not have a decent bug-out destination. If I were to bug out it would be from my current city with population two million to my agricultural-based home town with a population of 10,000 - and it would be to my father's house.

However, if you don't have a well-defined bug-out destination that is better located and is very livable then you should simply not plan to bug-out.

Very few people could survive in a forest - a few could - but very few.

Regarding hunting/gathering for food - even if it were plentiful you're likely to spend more calories doing it than the calories you take in (guess where that leads?)

When I was a kid I remember how surprised and disturbed I was to visit my favorite fishing pond and find some other kids on motor cycles running a "sein net" through the pond to empty the pond of fish. In times of desperation this is exactly what would play out everywhere there are "meals on hooves".

The author is 100% right to caution anyone about bugging out.

61 posted on 04/19/2012 7:55:26 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: weps4ret

There’s food in them thar hills and millions will be trying to get it.


62 posted on 04/19/2012 7:58:46 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: blam

Damn good advice really. If you think about it, if large numbers are all trying to bug out, the roads would quickly become parking lots. Most of us would be better off staying put.

I simply don’t have the money to plan for everything. I am 50, my wife 54 and has diabetes, and her sister is mentally handicapped. Fleeing unless NO OTHER CHOICE would be a death sentence. Better to fortify and stock up as best I can and ride it out. I have stockpiled and continue to do so to make it at my home.

Thats the plan for me anyway...

I live in the hood in a city but hold out or be overrun. I’ll die fighting like a man or I will survive. I do have some bug out plans but realize that most likely it won’t end well and I will only do so as an absolute last resort.


63 posted on 04/19/2012 8:08:39 PM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: cripplecreek
Sticking close to trusted friends, neighbors and relatives in Hooterville.

I agree. Though Patton said, "...Never dig in" I see no viable alternative when defending family and assets.

I don't live in a flood plain or a earthquake prone area nor have we seen a tornado in these parts. We do get a hurricane every 10-15 years or so. But we've weathered those just fine.
'Tis the zombies I'll be girding me loins for.

64 posted on 04/19/2012 8:12:35 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: Kartographer

preppers I’ve talked to generally prepare their cars so that they can get home from work or wherever. As for me, at my age, if it all falls apart suddenly, well, someone, someday will be burying a very skinny man.


65 posted on 04/19/2012 8:20:52 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: darth
"Depending on the scale of the crisis I would organize my nearest neighbors, then the block, then the surrounding 100 or so blocks, and so on. I would call community meetings to elect emergency reps/leaders, organize security, provide food for the hungry, send trucks out to trade for food in the country if needed, etc. Business owners would rapidly organize to protect their property. I’m sure employees of those businesses have a stake in their futures as well."

Alright. That's it. Darth for President!

;-)


66 posted on 04/19/2012 8:32:10 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

A Michigan winter won’t be a lot of fun but its got it its advantages. Right off the top it will send a lot of zombies heading for the south which would ease pressure. It also helps with food storage for a few months.


67 posted on 04/20/2012 3:58:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: packrat35
"I live in the hood in a city but hold out or be overrun. I’ll die fighting like a man or I will survive. I do have some bug out plans but realize that most likely it won’t end well and I will only do so as an absolute last resort."

Although we prepare and often talk about the worst case situations, I don't think we'll get to the worst possibilities.

68 posted on 04/20/2012 4:35:53 AM PDT by blam
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To: BenLurkin

My daughter, former Army, has a bug out bag. This in case of tornados or other such acts of nature. She has enough diapers for her kid, formula and other necessities to live for a week or so.

She’s doing this as a 3 day solution. Bugging out of a city due to nuclear, bio or chem is a much different scenario than a natural disaster. This is months of planning.

Again, we’re rural, much different than a city. If you live in a fire area, it’s a MUST you need a bug out plan. Unfortunately, most don’t recognize that importance.


69 posted on 04/20/2012 1:16:49 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

Living on a sailboat, my bugout plan is a. weigh anchor b. raise the mainsail c. Bye bye


70 posted on 04/20/2012 1:32:08 PM PDT by AnTiw1
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To: AnTiw1

We’re ready. Our well can be hand pumped. We have fire power (guns and energy), and I’ve got food to last a year. We do need more medical. That’s where we are lacking. This is my next endeavor. We’ll be ready hunker down.

We’ll be ready to resist the government.


72 posted on 04/20/2012 1:47:31 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: blam

Geez! A refugee thread without a pic of Tom Petty?


73 posted on 04/20/2012 3:01:14 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: blam

A wise philosophy, for those contemplating this:

“Smart Indian build small fire, sit close.”

A stark contrast to sitting in a recliner, a row of remotes at hand, watching one of hundreds of channels on your big screen.

Or for that matter, living in a world requiring internet connectivity, versus olde fashioned human interaction, face to face, up close and personal and accountable, perhaps requiring more maturity, judgement and civility, etc.


74 posted on 04/20/2012 3:19:44 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: AnTiw1
"Living on a sailboat, my bugout plan is a. weigh anchor b. raise the mainsail c. Bye bye "

Yup.

Like this, Southern Cross

I've often thought about a house boat going into the inland fresh waterways, many places to isolate when necessary.

75 posted on 04/20/2012 4:28:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: APatientMan
"Geez! A refugee thread without a pic of Tom Petty? "

Refugee

76 posted on 04/20/2012 4:31:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Much appreciated. Ahhh...memories.


77 posted on 04/20/2012 5:17:53 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: PowderMonkey
Worst case scenario bug out, I say we enlist the American descendants of Germans, Scots, and Irish, and take Mexico and Central America for our own. Best thing that could ever happen to the place. Worked for Texas. That should keep everybody busy for the next few centuries.

I've kinda thought that there should be main topics everyone should consider when they become of political maturity. If there are about 150 countries on the earth then there would be the same number of political systems. And so when a person becomes politically aware they would choose their system. My system would be Protestant Christian, flat income tax, acreage tax but not on buildings or businesses nor endless fees, free trade, right to work, death penalty, gun rights, information state rather than nanny state. Then I would move to that system at the age of political maturity. Someone else may be close to what I want but may believe in tariffs for instance, that would be a different country. That would eliminate a lot of complaining because you picked your own system instead of trying to push others into your system. lol

78 posted on 04/20/2012 5:49:25 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: x1stcav
We won’t behave like Bosnians!

Wanna' bet? Remember the aftermath of Katrina.

79 posted on 04/21/2012 11:48:49 AM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: blam

To bug-out or not to bug-out. It should be purely situational. If a tidal wave/hurricaine/earthquake/flood or other massive natural disaster is targeting your home, it’s time to get out of Dodge. Other situations can probably be ridden out at by staying at home where you have your supplies.


80 posted on 04/21/2012 11:58:34 AM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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