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>> The Church does not “own” marriage nor have the exclusive right to say who can marry, a government minister has said.
Like I said, the govt nor its parasitic scumbags should have the right to define marriage. Get govt out of the marriage business.
The government DOES own marriage because the government licenses marriage.
Conservatives need to admit that.
And conservatives need to get the government completely out of marriage: no government licenses, just private marriage contracts binding only upon the man and the woman who sign that contract.
I agree with this witch, provided that the government no longer has any say in religious marriage ceremonies. We’d have healthier families if the state didn’t make it extremely risky for a guy to stick his neck out, only to find himself ten years later paying for a home he doesn’t live in, barely seeing his children that still live there with their mother and some strange man. It is time for God and Caesar to part ways on the whole marriage question; the state can have people marrying their pervert-mates or pets with the corresponding legal contract, and the Church can have marriage on their terms in a religious sense, and there should be no overlap of the two.
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*eyeroll*
And as our Lord Jesus also said:
Matthew 19:4-6 And HE answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that HE which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
But given that the Church is the people of God (founded on the Prophets, and Apostles, and our Chief Cornerstone, our Lord Jesus Christ) ... the Church has the best claim to minister the institution of marriage on Earth.
The government, through the consent of the governed, gives consent for marriage. It does not create marriage.
Nor does it have the right to run a pen through the definition of marriage to make a fridge group feel accepted.
Marriage is the union of a man and a woman in matrimony.
The state was a late in picking up that bit of booty. I think Henry VIII had something to do with that.
/johnny
The third-century Roman jurist, Modestinus, captured the common understanding of marriage with the following definition: “Marriage is the union of a man and a woman, a consortium for the whole of life involving the communication of divine and human rights.” This union and these rights exist, not merely for their own sake, but also and especially for the sake of the inter-generational concerns of progeny and property; with a view, that is, to the conditions necessary for the founding and flourishing of the family. The rights involved are divine as well as human because marriage is generative, and hence pre- as well as pro-political; because what is founded through marriage is, in the twentieth-century language of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, “the natural and fundamental group unit of society.”
What the state is doing through same sex marriage is to de-naturalize the family by rendering familial relationships as policy relationships, defined and imposed by the state. In doing so, it effectively makes every citizen a ward of the state, by turning his or her most fundamental human connections into legal constructs at the state’s subjective whim.
The Church doesn’t own it - God does and He considers it holy and sacred. I still marvel that Job lost everything except the shrew of a wife - God blesses the union of a man and a woman even if only one is actually fulfilling the duties.
We are not this world, no matter how hard this world attempts to deceive us and subdue us otherwise - the truth remains - we are to subdue the world.
I think the West needs a revolution against these leftist scum. However,I also think that the conservative side is losing in most Western countries. The next Hitler will most definitely come from the left.
“Equalities minister”, what a wholly Orwellian term. Has anyone read Harrison Bergeron lately?
http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html
True -the church does not OWN “marriage” cannot say who can or cannot marry. Nor can it dictate to the State who can or cannot be considered by the State as “married”.That having been stated— IMO the converse is equally True /Valid. The STATE doe snot OWN “marriage” and cannot dictate to the church
who it must recognize as “married”. What the church can and must do is dictate to the congregation and to the community
who it will accept as “married” And what doctrines are acceptable for membership in the church. And those not willing to accept such Church doctrine or Church discipline ought not attempt to force the church to change and accept wickedness/ and divisions-and needless controversy within the body. And this ought be respected by the community and by the State. We ought let church be church. And those who cannot accept the doctrine of a church —those not willing to live as reflection of the teaching of their church ought not pretend they belong— (they just disagree) And No church whose doctrines and discipline do not reflect what I can read in the Bible is worthy of my participation.Oh lest I forget when the State—in a Country that began or was once recognized among the Christian nations -when that State adopts legislation contrary to the laws dictated by God,Himself reflected in the Laws of Nature— and /or the
Divine Law reflected in the Holy Writ. Such laws are invalid and I cannot obey for as the Apostles told the unjust Judge
“we ought to obey God rather than men. (Acts 5:29)
"I KNOW BUT ONE CODE OF MORALITY FOR MEN WHETHER ACTING SINGLY OR COLLECTIVELY"
--Thomas Jefferson
Our church does not recognize state marriages, Marriage is in the realm of the church or religion whatever that is.
As Blackstone said of slavery:
“...repugnant to reason, and the principles of natural law...”
I’m sick of these degenerates running this country. They’re the freaks and misfits, not us.
The government does not own marriage nor have the exclusive right to say who can marry.
The Church antedates any government in existence by a long shot. It speaks with infinitely more credibility, experience, understanding, wisdom and moral authority than the Equalities minister of Great Britain.
It even speaks with more right: natural right. Before feminism took over the universities, educated occidentals understood that.
When will people connect the dots: womynism...Statism...confiscation of freedom...culture of death?
