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Can we stop pretending that Rick Santorum is a fiscal conservative?
United Liberty ^ | 2-15-12 | Jason Pye

Posted on 02/15/2012 12:10:39 PM PST by NoPinkos

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To: NoPinkos

I want to thank you for sealing my support for Rick Santorum.

Good job, n00b.


121 posted on 02/15/2012 2:44:19 PM PST by dforest
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To: Marguerite; dt57
I think our new member, dt57, is actually FOR Newt Gingrich and was just stating why he thinks Santorum is currently ahead. Of course, I disagee. Santorum hasn't been blasted with $16 Million plus in vicious lies and smears of attacks ads.

GO NEWT, the only candidate of substance and solutions!
122 posted on 02/15/2012 2:49:23 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Marguerite

BTW, WONDERFUL COMMENTS AND SPOT ON!!!!!


123 posted on 02/15/2012 2:50:55 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Apollo5600

Go back and read my post and then your response.


124 posted on 02/15/2012 2:54:11 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: NoPinkos; dforest

ROTFLOLOL.

Don’t act like an idiot, dforest!
You’re not such an old timer here, yourself and everyone was a n00b at one time.


125 posted on 02/15/2012 2:54:26 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: dt57
Another newbie (2/6/2012) who thinks that cheapskatism is the essence of conservatism. Conservatism is a far richer tapestry than imagined by the money!, money!, money! crowd.

I will take second place to no one in regarding TARP as another instance of trust fund babies slopping at the taxpayer trough. You will note that Rick Santorum was NOT in office when TARP passed and so he did not support it either. An 88% ACU rating suggests that Santorum voted against birdbrain spending more often by far than not.

Santorum is a conservative on the issues that are most important. He is pro-life, pro-family, anti-sexual perversion posing as marriage and being subsidized by taxpayers and private employers (forced by idiot socially subversive court decisions), pro-gun, pro-military, interventionist, and is well-poised to reclaim the Reagan Democrats and Hispanic voters.

Gingrich is also most of those good things but is not doing as well in polls. Santorum is, as he says, "Steady Eddie" and the guy who gets the social attention at the end of the dance when most of the girls have noticed that the quarterback and the student government president have already paired off. He is the guy who leaves the campaign trail to spend tree days playing with his three-year old (chronically ill) hospitalized daughter Bella, Florida primary or no Florida primary. He has his priorities straight. He is Bella's only dad. By just being himself, he will get the votes of a lot of women, wives and mothers and not a few men who really don't care about money issues and may not even be conservative.

Most importantly, neither Rick Santorum nor Newt Gingrich are either Muhammed el Paulie or Mittens The Political Weathervane Romney, money-obsessed wonder wimps extraordinaire and world record serial liars.

126 posted on 02/15/2012 2:56:19 PM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: Marguerite

Here Rick describes a Ponzi Scheme. We need more people to grow the economy and to fund social security.

January 24, 2011 interview, Sen. Santorum said the United States is in need of more foreign workers. “I do think we need more people coming to this nation who want to be Americans to grow this economy. You want to fix the Social Security problem? Let’s have more workers producing and helping out the situation. For me, I’m willing to allow increased immigration to this country...”


127 posted on 02/15/2012 3:00:59 PM PST by anglian
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To: C. Edmund Wright
You still haven't explained why Gingrich would cosponsor and out and out communist bill?

Personally, I have never understood how anyone could consider Gingrich a conservative. He started out as a Rockefeller Republican, who ran to the left of his Dem opponent in '74 and '76. He only really pretended to be conservative for one year, but boy, his marketing campaign was fantastic, since people still believe in it. He has spent the 2000s with the ilk of Nancy Pelosi, Al Sharpton, and Barney Frank.

And bottom line I don't want to vote for someone who hates me. I read his rant against conservatives he posted after the Scozzafava fiasco. I saw the hatred when he attacked conservatives last May. He may be trying to suck up to conservatives now, but he really doesn't like us.

128 posted on 02/15/2012 3:01:18 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: onyx

I am all in for Rick Santorum, the guy who will beat Barack Hussein Obama.

Go Santorum!


129 posted on 02/15/2012 3:04:37 PM PST by dforest
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To: nickcarraway

No matter how many times I re-read it, it’s still a pitiful defense of defeatism that doesn’t really apply to anything I wrote.

And as for your Newt revisionist history. Newt was one of the biggest opponent’s to Reagan’s tax increase. He called it a betrayal.

Instead of feeding us all this BS and character assaults, how about you actually argue how Saint Rick’s platform is the best?


130 posted on 02/15/2012 3:09:02 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: onyx

Sorry.

I just see red, when I see anyone blathering on “disqualified” Newt. I simply can’t stand it, it’s so blatantly FALSE.


131 posted on 02/15/2012 3:11:59 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: dt57

Interestingly, Romney and Gingrich have not called him on this. If I were his opponent, *I* would, unless I had evidence to the contrary. Pretty much *everybody* was on record in 2008 about TARP. Many Republicans supported the rank and file and voted against it. Newt and Milt supported it.


132 posted on 02/15/2012 3:15:03 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: anglian

A big pro-big government, pro-spending, pro-earmarks, pro-lobbying, pro-censoring the internet (pro-SOPA) like Santorum, is not my idea of a “conservative”.


133 posted on 02/15/2012 3:15:41 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: All

Santorum, the pro-censoring the internet (pro-SOPA) candidate

http://youtu.be/dZifY8wcWwY


134 posted on 02/15/2012 3:17:47 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Apollo5600

I didn’t even want Santorum to run. He is far from perfect. I would much rather have another candidate, If we could get someone new, I’m all for it. But right now there are only 4 choices, and Santorum is the only one close to being conservative. (He is the only candidate the Occupy movement is against. And the media keeps trying to tell us Gingrich is the real conservative. I’m sure they have our best interests at heart.)


135 posted on 02/15/2012 3:18:54 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: BlackElk

“Santorum is a conservative on the issues that are most important. He is pro-life, pro-family, anti-sexual perversion posing as marriage and being subsidized by taxpayers and private employers (forced by idiot socially subversive court decisions), pro-gun, pro-military, interventionist, and is well-poised to reclaim the Reagan Democrats and Hispanic voters.”

That’s true if your “important issues” are only social issues. As for his character. At this point it’s pretty clear that he has dishonestly distorted Newt’s platform and record, while at the same time claiming to be the pure conservative, which he isn’t. He’s done this since Cain on down, but nobody notices or really cares.

He can play with his sick daughter all he wants. The guy is a political opportunist. Another reason to focus on his actual platform and realize he’s an opportunist with nothing new to offer.

We need a guy who is going to push ISSUES, and not just celebrate being himself. We don’t need a daddy. We need an attack dog who is going to help us tear down the progressive system. That is why I was so gung-ho for Cain, and why we ALL should have been. Because with Cain, it wasn’t about a celebrating of himself, it was about pushing solutions and making bold stands. This was also why I disliked Bachmann and Santorum from the very beginning. Because t hey weren’t about solutions, they were only about insulting and questioning the character of their opponents and their platforms. Bachmann, fortunately, dropped out. Santorum should have been next, but his vanity is keeping him in and could very well destroy the Republican party. At best, he’s another guy managing the decline, not fighting on the front lines, unless you think gay marriage is going to destroy the country worse than the Democrats are.

It’s time we ripped apart the foundation of the lib’s power, which is in the current tax code and in social programs. Santorum voted against the flat tax, and he distorted Cain’s 999 (which is derived from the fair tax). He has praised some social programs, while damning others. He’s wishy-washy. He isn’t committed to real reform. He is committed to promoting himself while happily ignoring or distorting the issues for the sake of political power.

Even if Saint Rick wins, I’ll always work against him, and I seriously will not vote for any more Establishment hacks or a controlled decline. I don’t care that Obama kills us faster.

Of course, it doesn’t matter. I live in Texas. We always go to the Pub. But I imagine that turnout will be low.


136 posted on 02/15/2012 3:19:52 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Sam Gamgee

First, 96% support does not equal 96% *big government* votes. Bush sucked, IMO, and he dragged the GOP down with him. Either you supported YOUR President, as a congressman, or the left labeled you as “more radical than Bush”. Not a happy choice. You can rail about Rick all you want, but to have ANY impact you have to play the cards that are laid out. And the cards were all losers during the Bush years, esp. the later ones. Bob


137 posted on 02/15/2012 3:22:07 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: nickcarraway

You must be living in an alternate dimension. I really wish you would actually engage in specifics and substance here instead of this trash you keep posting.


138 posted on 02/15/2012 3:22:32 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600; b9; onyx; katiedidit1; caww; true believer forever; All

Get Ready to Hear All About Rick Santorum and Universal Health Services, by Erick Erickson, December 30, 20011

“The media is about to begin the vetting of Rick Santorum and I suspect we’re going to hear a lot about Universal Health Services (“UHS”). Santorum’s involvement in UHS is one of the significant bits of his private sector experience.

After his 18 point loss in 2006, UHS appointed Rick Santorum to its Board of Directors.

On May 16, 2007, Santorum acquired 10,000 options to purchase Class B common stock. On November 21, 2009, he received another option for 5,000. In 2010, it was options for 15,000 shares and another 15,000 as recently as January 21, 2011, as Santorum begin to entertain thoughts of running for President.

On June 15, 2011, Santorum resigned from the board of UHS.

On March 2, 2010, nearly three years after Santorum was appointed to the UHS board of directors, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) filed a complaint against UHS for billing Medicaid for “ psychiatric care that was not provided.” The company received Medicaid funds to provide psychiatric counseling and treatment to boys ages 11 to 17.

According to the Department of Justice, UHS “took advantage of troubled children in order to feed their own desire for wealth.”

According to Barbara Jones, the whistleblower who brought suit against UHS, local company management encouraged employees to conduct “drive by therapy sessions” as they passed patients in the hallway and then record the brief interactions as a thirty minute individual therapy sessions to be billed to Medicaid. Jones also testified in her court filings that she was ordered by the local CEO to fabricate a Medicaid billing form and was told, after she refused to do so, that she would not be paid until the form was fabricated.

UHS tried to have the complaint dismissed not because of the veracity of the changes, but because it claimed Barbara Jones wasn’t an employee of UHS and therefore was not protected under a whistle blower statute.

In 2007 the federal government filed a lawsuit against UHS for Medicaid fraud going back all the way to 2004. It’s kind of hard to claim complete ignorance of federal charges against a company on whose board he sat for over four years.”


139 posted on 02/15/2012 3:23:55 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: BlackElk; dt57; sand88; b9; Marguerite; true believer forever
My dear, long time friend, BlackElk,
I part ways with you on Santorum. I will vote for him if he's the nominee, but I remain steadfast in my support for Newt Gingrich. I think Santorum has some deep character flaws when it comes to women, particularly Sarah Palin and I ask you to read sand88's post #3, which is the most recent. I have others bookmarked about his snide remarks about Sarah Palin over the years, because there were threads here about them and I held her ping list. She has a heart of gold, a servant's heart, if you will, and I know that she has only kind words for Santorum now. She is against Romney.

My prayers, my money and my hopes remain with Newt Gingrich, for many reasons, but above all, I believe that he is the only candidate of substance, radical solutions and thoughtful preparation for our nation's highest office and the role of Commander-in-Chief, a role often overlooked in the primaries, but not by Colonel Oliver North, praise God.
140 posted on 02/15/2012 3:27:10 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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