Posted on 02/11/2012 10:25:42 AM PST by brityank
Just to get over this endless ping pong, I’ll stipulate your point.
But please answer this question. It’s sincere. So what? What is your point? I gather that you think that there is some sort of cover up/conspiracy or some other malfeasance on the part of the department and/or the deputy. But what, exactly, do you think is going on? And do you have any better evidence than a couple of bad press releases?
Do you actually believe this?
Yes
You do understand after officer involved shootings, or any shooting for that matter, it's extremely critical to interview the witnesses immediately?
This is very important to get their account of the event while it is still up front or fresh in their memory. If this was not the case, the Sheriff, and all those involved in this investigation, need to resign.
You can bet the rent, there were formal statements taken from both passengers within hours after this event.
I can assure you, OCSD knows *exactly* what the two young witnesses stated, that day.
No offense, but if ya believe Amormino's statement he did not know if the passengers statement was consistent with the deputy's statement, you'll believe anything.
I am sure that the statements were indeed taken, but the DA investigator. I can assure you, OCSD knows *exactly* what the two young witnesses stated, that day.
So now you're accusing the DA of leaking material facts regarding an on-going criminal investigation to the suspect and his organization? Really? OCSD IA and possibly homicide detectives may have access to those statements so they can conduct their own investigations at this point but the press office? No way.
It's all going to come out in time. I ask again: why are you so concerned to have the case file opened up before the case is presented to the DA and, if he thinks charges are warranted, the grand jury?
I've tried to engage; you keep evading my simple question.
Question: Is it not possible for law enforcement agencies to deceive or twist a version of events to fit, in order to avoid career damage/criminal penalties and or extremely costly litigation/?
But what, exactly, do you think is going on?
Anyone can speculate, but I've based most of my comments on comments made by directly by OCSD.
Since it appears OCSD's version of events has possibly changed, I have no idea, except the fact Marine was not armed, and it appears OCSD is not alleging the Marine attempted to run over the deputy.
Does this not seem somewhat suspect to you?
Let me ask you, and forget the DA. Do you not believe OCSD investigators interviewed these two passengers after this officer/deputy involved shooting?
What do you think the DA bases their investigation on?
It's based on witness statements and the deputy's statement obtained by OCSD investigators.
You do not know this?
Question: Is it not possible for law enforcement agencies to deceive or twist a version of events to fit, in order to avoid career damage/criminal penalties and or extremely costly litigation?
Well?
As I stated up thread, this could be anything from a tragic, but lawful and justified use of deadly force, to a criminal act.
That said, I have seen nothing in the press that leads me to believe that anything other than a full investigation is underway, and that the investigation itself will be fully vetted by a host of people, not the least of whom will certainly be the base commander at Pendleton, a range of private lawyers and every tom dick and harry on the internet.
But let me answer one of your questions, again, even though you refuse to answer mine. “Does this not seem suspect?” No, it seems like the almost inevitable confusion that must, almost inevitably it seems, surround such a bizarre event. What I find suspect is the extraordinary cynicism that immediately indicts a deputy in the conspicuous absence of any real information.
So what? What is your point? I gather that you think that there is some sort of cover up/conspiracy or some other malfeasance on the part of the department and/or the deputy.
Question: Is it not possible for law enforcement agencies to deceive or twist a version of events to fit, in order to avoid career damage/criminal penalties and or extremely costly litigation?
Well?
Whats that? Be specific and I will answer in short order.
Of course it’s possible but there is nothing about this caper, at least as it’s been reported to date, that leads me to believe that it is the case in this instance.
Bizarre event?
You keep implying this is some complex, confusing incident or conspiracy involving all kinds of stuff. Ya got an UNARMED marine who was shot to death at close range through the driver side window..With two passengers in the vehicle.
To be honest, the only smoke, possible deception, distraction and confusion I see, are from your own comments.
You said: “Tell me, after about a week...”
I’ve asked a bunch of times “What’s the urgency? “ Why is it important to have a detailed public statement prior to the conclusion of the investigation?
You think I've been evading this question?
I never suggested there was an urgency, those are your words.
My comments were in regards to and based on apparent discrepancies and other comments made by directly by OCSD.
My comments above and throughout the course of this thread can not possibly be any clearer.
“What do you think the DA bases their investigation on?”
They have their own investigators, sworn LE, detectives, called “DA Investigators”. They work for the DA. Not the sheriff.
I have no doubt that they have a very detailed policy manual on who, exactly, interviews witnesses after an OIS. Since they’ve gone to the trouble to set up an outside office for all OIS’s, it seems reasonable that they would have that office conduct the entire investigation, not just some small bits of it.
What do you think the DA bases their investigation on?
It's based on witness statements and the deputy's statement obtained by OCSD investigators at the scene.
You do not know this?
They have their own investigators, sworn LE, detectives, called DA Investigators. They work for the DA. Not the sheriff.
Oh good grief! No kidding!
I said what do you think they BASE their investigations on?
It's based on reports, supporting documents from those involved, who were on the scene, the deputy, witnesses, digital images, radio traffic etc. Gezzz
Ya think the the DA comes out a week later and starts their own investigation from scratch, from a cleaned up, sanitized empty scene?
Question: Is it not possible for law enforcement agencies to deceive or twist a version of events to fit, in order to avoid career damage/criminal penalties and or extremely costly litigation?
Well?
Of course its possible but there is nothing about this caper, at least as its been reported to date, that leads me to believe that it is the case in this instance.
You see no issues here?
Oh boy....
This is a really naive statement or one which is very biased.
OCSD has finally admitted the Marine was *not* armed.
OCSD admitted, the Marine drove his own kids to the school.
OCSD said the deputy feared for his life.
OCSD now states the deputy feared for the kids lives.
OCSD admitted shooting to death an unarmed Marine from the driver side window, simply based on the deputy's comment, "The marine was acting or said something irrational and could not let the driver leave with the kids", the same kids he just drove to their school.
OCSD never once alleged the Marine was attempting to run over the deputy, as it's seems substantiated by the blown out driver side window.
Based on what is known, if you're in law enforcement and fail to see some disturbing facts here, I would find a different career.
Change the story, protecting the children, of course. The fact that the children were forward of the firing line (see what the range officer says about this one) and the possibility of shot deflection from the glass, a skull, or the metal in the headrest would not in any way endanger the children. Trauma, no problem, kids are resilient...
Oh for the days of sanctuary cities and kinsmen redeemers who will execute justice when the state won’t. I am not an anarchist, but the state seems to be providing more danger to the public than protection, in a lot of ways.
“Personally, I think that it is an over reaction following the Powell father “
BINGO.
You can not govern this way.
Everybody! Take time to read the comments from Camp Pendleton and SGT Loggins’ immediate supervising officers. He is described as quiet spoken, extremely courteous to all, a mentor to junior Marines, dedicated to duty, a devoted husband and father and a committed Christian. Worked a 12 to 16 hour day and spent as much time as possible with his daughters. I can’t print what I would say about the so-called deputy.
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