Posted on 11/26/2011 4:33:04 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
An updated design would have made Fukushima even safer. Any residual fallout is purely the fault of the neoluddites. May they be damned.
sad but good ping, thank you.
Oh man.....
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Isn’t it?
Of all the evils the baby boom generation has done to this nation, the moratorium on Nuke plant construction may have been our worst.
We should know in the next few generations what the genetic results are from extreme doses of radioactivity are, especially in Japan....its sad...
Were you the one telling me the Fukushima-Daiichi plant was not a problem as it was exploding?
Nukes are inherently unsafe. Conditions that caused the problems at Fukushima-Daiichi might not repeat themselves at another nuke plant in the U.S., but other unforeseen conditions can.
The argument that because conditions do not exist here that were present at Fukushima-Daiichi is fallacious logic.
I live in walking distance from Shinjuku.
That map was mostly the result of a few days fallout washed out by the rain after the great quake struck then the wind changed and sent a majority of the fallout over the pacific ocean and onward around the world.
They haven’t capped the melted cores as of yet and the corium(s) still spew their radioactive poisons.
Not a very cost effective way to produce power besides lifetime storage of spent radioactive fuels to deal with in a normal operations, not even considering repercussions to human life after a disaster such as this.
Or the same as eating a couple bananas a day, that was a very popular comparison.
Terpfen: The entire world is coated with radiation. It comes from the sun.....
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ransomnote: I remember Saturday Night Live doing a skit about nuclear engineers (Dan Akroyd) trying to downplay a meltdown by insisting reporters covering the disaster report the amount of radiation released as ‘sunshine units’. The audience howled with laughter at this pathetic attempt to portray incompetence on the part of the nuclear power industry as resulting in the release of something natural like ‘sunshine units’. Didn’t really stop you did it? Now you know that sunshine includes energy in the form of gamma radiation. This radiation causes skin cancer so we try to reduce the amount of harmful radiation from the sun that we are exposed to while still benefiting from the other energy present in sunlight. How does this have anything to do with TEPCO’s reactors blowing radioactive isotopes, not just the energy from the isotopes, all over the country where they will be exposing the populace to released energy, be consumed where the isotopes can do greater damage to tissues 24/7 (unlike sunlight) and be inhaled where they can damage lungs (unlike sunlight)? I don’t think you have a sufficient background in science to understand why your attempts to compare the fukushima contaminants to radiation from the sun or outer space - either way you look bad because you are either under qualified to understand the mechanics or you know exactly why your comparison is deceptive and pathetic and you are hoping the rest of us don’t.
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Terpen: The amount on the map is not some huge cancer-causing spike. Japan is not suddenly going to break out in lesions and have people wither away from radiation poisoning, nor will their long-term cancer rate increase.
ransomnote: You haven’t impressed me with your scientific knowledge so I’ll continue to rely upon the National Academy of Sciences BEIR VII report which indicates that there is no safe threshold below which exposure to radiation is safe. I’ll also rely upon the results of the nuke industry’s last large scale catastrophe prior to Fukushima - that’s right, I am talking about Chernobyl. That disaster is not over - countless people continue to suffer countless dibilitating or lethal effects from the disaster - there are other health impacts aside from only cancer and leukemia to consider. Here’s a comprehensive report compiled by scientists pushing back against pro nuke organizations like the IAEA who were trying to downplay the effects of Chernobyl:
http://www.strahlentelex.de/Yablokov%20Chernobyl%20book.pdf
Here’s a wiki page about the report itself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl:_Consequences_of_the_Catastrophe_for_People_and_the_Environment
So I don’t need to reference your lies or ignorance when you opine that there won’t be spikes in cancer in Japan and that natural sources of radiant energy like the sun only differ in degree from the widespread dissemination of radioactive isotopes in Japan - those same isotopes which have been documented damaging and continuing to damage the victims of Chernobyl. No, instead I can reference valid scientific research that tells me the nuke industry is responsible for damaging countless generations of innocent people.
Your behavior illustrates why I now have no hope that the nuke industry will ever correct the weaknesses in its organization - it doesn’t care and it doesn’t want to. I’ve seen nuke pimps insist NOT ONE PERSON DIED FROM CHERNOBYL. This is a lie of epic proportions but it encapsulates the philosophy of losers like you: Never admit, never accept responsibility - always assume the public are child like and easily driven. Just as the IAEA and other pro nuke organizations and individuals have invested their lives in distorting the truth about Chernobyl, so are these same players already hard at work trying to deny Fukushima even exists. There’s an almost complete media black out on the fact that Fukushima’s molten reactor fuel has escaped containment, no one knows how to contain it as it’s never been done before, it continues to pump radioactive contaminants into the air around the clock for the foreseeable future. The public is just now beginning to learn the extent of the lies TEPCO and the government facilitators have been telling the public. No wonder nuke pimps want to screech ‘nothing to see here! move along!’
What’s new to me - something I didn’t believe I’d see - is bloodless nuke pimps showing up and posting their trash on a thread that had to be painful news for people directly affected by all this. Why couldn’t you save your trash for other threads? Why did you have to come here where some people’s hearts will break to see the map showing the long lasting damage. You just couldn’t leave them in peace, could you?
Say, did you even read this part of the article?
“Before the March 11 Great East Japan Earthquake, radioactive substance were barely detectable in most areas.”
Substance....not radiation from sunlight. If you are well grounded enough to discuss radiation then you were intentionally being deceptive.
I would be much more concerned about the effects of some of the bad sunburns I had as a kid than the effects of any new post-disaster background radiation to be found in Japan.
The radioactive cesium is in the food supply - it’s not agreeing to stay low or in the background. It’s been detected in beef, wheat, produce, and tea crops. So while the background radiation increase is physically damaging to human health, they also have to worry about eating, drinking and breathing isotopes. Japan isn’t helping them out by burning radioactive waste which puts the isotopes back into the air but then they have three molten fuel cores that are now somewhere below the reactors and are freely putting contaminants into the air for the foreseeable future. So the problem is not limited to the unfortunate increase in background radiation, damaging as that is. There’s alot of speculation about what might happen if/when the molten cores reach japan’s water table.
You state flat out falsehoods that contradict the known data collected by scientists. I was going to suggest you read the research at the link I posted but I know that you would ignore data that refutes your falsehoods. Try to understand that the conduct of the IAEA and the nuke industries in various countries and their shills have so thoroughly discredited themselves that their assertions are not valued. That international report I linked was created BECAUSE the nuke industry and its guardian organization, the IAEA lied so vigorously for so long about the true conditions of the population following Chernobyl that scientists across the globe collaborated to document the ugly truth. Those who came on FR and taunted FREEPERS for saying all was not well in Fukushima as falsely claimed can not expect us to listen to them now that they have new falsehoods to spread. The nuke industry in the US and around the world had to know the true state of uncooled fuel after x amount of hours etc. but they all colluded to taunt and ridicule and remain silent when their expertise could assist the populace. I am amazed you still try.
Ah yes....here’s an example of what I mean:
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High radiation levels found beyond 30-km radius (Japan)
Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:20:54 AM · 3 of 13
J Aguilar to RummyChick
Caesium radioisotpes were accumulated there by rain, and they will be washed away in the same manner.
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RummyChick posted an article saying high radiation was found beyond 30-km radius and you confidently, and without any qualification (or fact based information) state that it was put their by rain and will leave the same way. Reading your posts back to March, this seems like your preferred style. All legitimate concerns must be brushed away with your empty, nuke pimp assurances.
Had no idea that these old plants always had to have external power to them and that they would melt down if that power was lost and the generators were lost. How in the world could governments approve such a situation ? Especially considering we fought two world wars last century where power generation was routinely lost due to indiscriminate bombing.
These nuke plants are VERY safe- it is people who are stupid
If this place had more than 6 hours of battery backup this would have gone down in history as one of the greatest success stories of nuclear power in history- The place survived one of the biggest earthquakes in history AND THEN A TUSUNAMI!
...and it was still working as planned- until the batteries ran out.
If they had a weeks supply of battery power these people would have been heroes. Although the batteries were the last line of defense, no one thought about the tim it might take to get a backup deisel generator - and only planned for 6 hours of power
Apparently you missed this news.
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