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Mitt Romney defends individual mandate.
RCP ^ | November 22, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 11/22/2011 6:31:59 AM PST by GlockThe Vote

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To: JimInMO

Please - anyone who thinks that it is ok for the govt to mandate a person buy a private product from a private corporation with no cost control and no affordable option is someone I can’t support on any level. And this is not a 10th amend argument - its an individual vs the state argument.

Romney is the worst of the lot. He is Obama lite - possibly worse.


41 posted on 11/22/2011 7:43:26 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: JimInMO
If he is in position to do so (as President), he has promised unequivocally to promote the removal of Obamacare.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly how Mitt phrased it - with so much wiggle room built in so as to remove all meaning.

It is exactly this kind of mush mouthed promise that compels me to pray he doesn't win the nomination.

42 posted on 11/22/2011 7:44:10 AM PST by skeeter
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To: MortMan
You do the same as he did - nothing.

I agree wholeheartedly but we both know that won't happen. dealing in the real world what do you do?

43 posted on 11/22/2011 7:46:01 AM PST by ontap
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To: skeeter

What I heard involved 1) lower spending, and 2) resulting lower taxes across the board.

To me it seemed that Hannity had a number of questions and repetitions of the concerns people on the political right have of his record and his words. He spoke in a rather rapid-fire fashion to respond to all the questions posed to him.

And, yes, Hannity and time permitting, I would have liked to hear some more specifics (to flesh out the statements of operating principles), too. But, there were obvious time constraints in that format.

That said, you are pointing out what he DID NOT say to your satisfaction. What did he actually say that you disagree with in any significant principle/detail?

An honest question, not a “gotcha”, or a ruse to “support Romney”. Merely to have an adult discussion.


44 posted on 11/22/2011 7:48:09 AM PST by JimInMO
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To: GlockThe Vote

Mitt is okay with violating the 13th and 14th Amendment by hiding behind the 10th.


45 posted on 11/22/2011 7:50:23 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

Mittens scares the heck out me.


46 posted on 11/22/2011 7:52:40 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: JimInMO

the vast majority of the Texas legislature wanted to give instate tuition rates to illegal aliens...

and yet that was bad, and this is ok apparently.


47 posted on 11/22/2011 7:53:38 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: ontap
What do you do with the guy who does nothing about future illnesses and the shows up at the hospital with cancer?

It's a good thing we have Obamacare and Romneycare because how in the world did the United States survive before politicians came up with the idea of an individual mandate for healthcare. It's just amazing that we could have gotten all the way from 1776 to the present without that individual mandate.

48 posted on 11/22/2011 7:59:54 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: ontap

Dealing with the real world, you treat immediate life-threatening symptoms, and do not treat the underlying disease. This is the current law.

Emergency rooms cannot be used for long-term disease resolution. They are structured incorrectly, and it is explicitly counter to their purpose.


49 posted on 11/22/2011 8:00:46 AM PST by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: JimInMO

Kudos. I also find that CAPITALIZATION MAKES ARGUMENTS MUCH MORE COMPELLING AND LOGICAL.


50 posted on 11/22/2011 8:03:54 AM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: skeeter

Skeeter, the fact is that a Governor and a President are the Executive branch. They do not and cannot enact laws or undo laws (unless the government is authoritarian). They must work through the Legislative branch to propose or change statutes.


51 posted on 11/22/2011 8:06:12 AM PST by JimInMO
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To: skeeter

Further, ANY candidate or nominee who says that HE/SHE will undo Obamacare simply is not speaking accurately or honestly. The Executive cannot/will not undo legislation on the books. He may work very hard, twist arms, etc. to get it off, but he will not, himself, remove the legislation.


52 posted on 11/22/2011 8:09:02 AM PST by JimInMO
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To: vbmoneyspender

That’s a nice platitude but you didn’t answer the question!


53 posted on 11/22/2011 8:10:09 AM PST by ontap
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To: MortMan
This is the current law.

You're wrong! Current law is when the patient reachs the point he can no longe pay for his treatment he is put on medicaid and we pay for it!!

54 posted on 11/22/2011 8:13:20 AM PST by ontap
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To: JimInMO
However, the majority of the voters of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts DID.

It was sold to them as "people making $70,000 a year and not buying health insurance" -- ridiculous, I think, on the face of it: jobs that pay $70,000 a year generally have good benefits too, including health insurance; it's the jobs that pay $18,000 or so that are likely to have no benefits. Also, didn't hospitals used to go after people without insurance for payment, especially if they made $70,000 a year? Don't they do that any more?

At one point, I think I read that 71% of MA voters approved the mandate, which strikes me as the likely percentage that had insurance through their employer, their union, or the gov't (Medicare, Medicaid) -- i.e., people who wouldn't be affected -- or so they thought, though I believe the increase in the sales tax and raised fees for various things were to make up the shortfall caused by RomneyCare after a hefty chunk of federal money.

MA also has I believe 53 separate mandated benefits, including in vitro fertilization, and who knows what else!

55 posted on 11/22/2011 8:13:35 AM PST by maryz
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To: JimInMO
Have you heard of executive orders! A quaint little made up power!!
56 posted on 11/22/2011 8:15:21 AM PST by ontap
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Agree that a majority does not automatically make its authority good policy or principle.

And you provide a perfect example: Texas has intentionally created a relatively weak Executive (Governor), relative to the Legislature. Perry probably could not have stopped in-state tuition approval, even if he had been so inclined.

But a sufficient majority imposed its will at the time, and the Governor had to comply. The criticism of Perry is that he agreed with the Legislative decision compelling the action re in-state tuition. But the fact is that he had to go along, regardless of his approval or disapproval (recognizing that he could have come out forcefully against it if he had chosen to do so).


57 posted on 11/22/2011 8:18:01 AM PST by JimInMO
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To: vbmoneyspender

You know, it is easier than doing all the html things.

It also is helpful for those who may be seeing what they want to see RATHER THAN WHAT IS THERE.


58 posted on 11/22/2011 8:19:42 AM PST by JimInMO
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To: ontap

Yes, and a dangerous thing, often. O has used them perniciously (and so noted on FR numerous times).


59 posted on 11/22/2011 8:21:54 AM PST by JimInMO
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To: JimInMO
Skeeter, the fact is that a Governor and a President are the Executive branch. They do not and cannot enact laws or undo laws (unless the government is authoritarian). They must work through the Legislative branch to propose or change statutes.

I understand that bills do not originate with the president. He can LEAD, however.

You ask me which specifics Romney laid out last night that I disagreed with. My point is I heard very little substance to disagree with. Thats the problem.

60 posted on 11/22/2011 8:23:12 AM PST by skeeter
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