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Posted on 11/10/2011 1:57:11 PM PST by Nachum
No technical reason at all.
The EPA and the environazis simply won't allow any such thing to happen. Montana's already lost mining, logging, railroads and two-thirds of the manufacturing businesses, the farmers and ranchers are next on the hit list along with the tail end of the coal and oil operations still around.
At the current rate, Montana will be the world's largest theme park by 2015, complete with wind turbines killing off birds as far as the eye can see. Who needs oil?
(Spit on the ground and walk away)
Present.
It's not as if we didn't believe you.
Hope no one was holding their breath.
I believe that there was a large refinery to be built on an Indian reservation in South Dakota. (The Indian tribe wanted it because it would bring hundreds of jobs to people out of work.) At least, that was the plan last year. With Obama and his Luddites around, it has probably been called off.
Little did Gary know that he was about to meet his maker, thanks to a wind turbine in Montana.
>>By the way, I have been telling you guys this will happen for months.
Yes, you have. I remember some of those posts.
The last new refinery built in the USA was more than thirty years ago. Hyperion Oil of Texas plans to begin construction of a new ultra-sophisticated refinery in Union County, South Dakota (about 50 miles north of Sioux Falls), at a cost of billions. If all goes well, and it has been in the planning stage for five years, it will be operational in 2017.
The flip side is that, should Alberta ever build out refinery capacity for its production, then the Texas advantage will disappear. This is analogous, perhaps, to the potential decline of the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency.
Here’s something else you can take to the bank. Thanks to communist Democrats like Obama and useless Republicans like Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, America will sooner or later be like Italy and Greece.
Bunga Bunga!
We shall see. Gary has lots of friends.
Transportation costs materially affect the price of oil, strangely enough. A pipeline to the south makes the oil cheaper for us. A pipeline to the west makes it cheaper for the Chinese.
It’s really not that hard.
So your fungibility lecture a la Dilbert misses a key point.
Certainly possible from a technical point of view. Hmmmm... A 700K barrel per day refinery should run something towards $10 billion or so I think, or more? Then there would be pipelines (probably 4 or 5) that would be needed to transport the bulk amount of refined hydrocarbons, Coincidentally, towards 50% of the US refining and commodity organic chemicals capacity just happens to be located in an arc from New Orleans to Corpus Cristi, TX. It would still be necessary to network through the pipeline intersections in Cushing, OK so the routing would be the same as the crude oil. Also, new rail routes would be needed in both Canada and the US. I would think that the unions would be raising hell about this. Yeah yeah, dumb thought.
Keep in mind that a refinery produces lots more end products than gasoline's. For example, diesel, jet fuels, bunker fuel, olefins and aromatics for plastics, lubricant bases, coke for steel, asphalt oil, etc.
Only technical reason is a new refinery would cost over $20B and 10 years of fighting with the EPA to get it approved.
Most of the jobs being created would be only temporary jobs...just long enough to get the pipeline built.
Chinese steel would be used because it is cheaper.....cheaper and less dependable...in the end...the oil, being 10 times more corrosive than regular oil....would eat through the pipeline. Example of this is the oil spill that happened last year on the Kalamazoo River----the oil spill is still not cleaned up!
The Ogallala aquifer, the third largest in the world--vital to Nebraska farmers, lies only a foot below the surface of the planned Keystone XL project......jobs are not worth the damage that this pipeline can do! The pipeline route also extends into Oklahoma...directly through the area where, just last week a 5.6 earthquake happened. If brick structures did not survive, a 34 inch pipeline certainly won't either.
Wishing this pipeline to go through is like wishing for a disaster to happen. Jobs can be made in other areas. We need to keep our clean water supply...and NO I am not an environmentalist....but a realist. There is nothing more precious than clean water. This drought has really made me appreciate clean water. I know I can't put water in my gas tank to make my car run....but I certainly can't put oil in my body and expect it to run either.
What in heaven's name are you doing on this website spouting enviro-whacko figments of a feeble imagination?
Begone!
Clear evidence that you don't know what you're talking about.
1. The earthquake prone area of Oklahoma is an oval shaped region, with its axis extending from Oklahoma City to Atoka. The rest of the state is seismically stable. The Keystone pipeline will pass west of Oklahoma City -- outside this seismic zone.
2. Nonetheless, the seismically "active" zone in Oklahoma was once a major oil-producing part of the state -- and is criss-crossed by dozens of pipelines, minor and major. Indeed, Cushing, OK, the major pipeline center of the U.S. is TWENTY MILES NORTH OF SPARKS, OK -- the epicenter of the two recent quakes.
Go back to your cage.
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