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Posted on 11/08/2011 5:07:33 AM PST by mazda77
Fox has been completely coopted.
Barely a word on the website about the OWS outrages, for example.
she is the 4th person.
nra made settlements with 2 women.
didnt cain soon left nra before/after the settlements?
was he pushed out by nra or by his own initiative?
he is running for potus, these questions need to
be answered sincerely, no?
Same here. Their goal, of course, is to drive Cain out of the race and hope someone can dig up all the dirt on people like Allred, Bialek, find out who are driving the accusations.
I absolutely don’t believe the accusations and even if true - who gives a crap. If her statements are true, she stated that when asked to be brought back to her hotel, he obliged immediately.
So either way I still like Herman Cain and as a woman I will cast my vote for him. I know that the Liberals are absolutely afraid of this man and they know that he will/will beat Obama. They will try to destroy him at every corner. I will not be lead by them no matter what! As a matter of fact, I will dig my heels in even deeper because of it!
If you actually had the facts & have been following this case - all of the above have already been discussed.
As far as questions needing to be answered - he already said that he never harassed anyone. Without proof of what these women are accusing him of, all they have offered are accusations. He cannot prove when they won't say WHAT they are accusing him of.
The 4th woman says a lot - but NONE of it has been proved by her. I'm not willing to take the word of Allred & the woman just because they say so.
Thanks for the ping!
This is a brilliant move by the Cain camp.
Think about it - these initial false claims could fester for the rest of the campaign because there is little way to refute the anonymous accusers or make it go away by ignoring it.
Bring out someone to face the press, make the same accusations, but has a seedy financial past. Maybe she even admits she was making it up later.
All the accusations end up getting lumped together as a “technical lyniching” and Cain comes out looking like the press has been out to get him and getting even more exposure.
Just a theory....
i actually followed the story from the beginning,
and cain kept changing the story.
if i harassed someone, i surely would dig in my heels
to defend my honor! i know life doesnt exactly work
like a perfect machine, but why would i want to agree
to a settlement if i didnt do anything - i would sit
down with the nra and told them: hell no, dont pay
nothing!
bialek is surely telling only 1-side of the story,
but what if essentially what she said was correct,
isnt she the equivalent of paula jones who persisted
in her story and came out to be the truth?!
And I almost like the guy because I think he's being treated unfairly.
Now a 5th woman has come forward and she's saying "she was uncomfortable" because he invited her to dinner. Come on, this is silly.
The woman who came forward with Alred is the only one who made claims he tried to do anything physical and I don't believe she is all that credible.
However, the damage has been done. Cain is twisting in the wind. One day he says he's done responding to these allegations and then the next day he's saying he's going to take them on head on. From the beginning Cain has done him self no favors by changing his story on a daily basis and throwing out unsupported allegations of his own.
Cain would be a disaster as the Pub nominee. He has shown no interest in understanding issues involving foreign policy. He has had so many qualifiers in his statements on social issues, especially Pro-Life, that no one can reasonably say they understand what his position really is. He did not think through his economic plan, an area that is supposed to be a strength, and then began changing it on a weekly basis. He has not responded well to the sexual harassment allegations and has shown no message discipline, or that he has ever thought out a coherent strategy for dealing with the allegations.
I don't like Cain. I think he is a jerk and can't help but see the irony in a man being brought down by the same tactics he used against others. However, I hate the tactics and think they are despicable.
You must have missed something because Cain had NOTHING to do with the settlements. He was not involved.
i knew that fact. he said that on tv and that was
the truth. attorney bennett also said on tv that
cain was not involved in the settlement.
but their legal dept couldnt just agree to a
settlement without first asking cain what happened.
nra: herman, tell us what happened.
h: nothing happened, ok!
nra: but what she was telling us seemed it was not
something insignificant.
it’s only logical to assume he must have also
heard of some kind of settlement in the works.
thats what i meant if he didnt do nothing,
he should have sat down with nra later and insisted:
pay nothing.
cain left before or soon after the settlement.
was he pushed out? or did he leave on his own initiative??
Truly I cannot say a disparaging word about Cain's accusers without making myself a hypocrite for compiling for display and thus besmirching the sources of many disparaging words about Juanita Brodderick, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey and others on the Downside Legacy.
Like Bialek, the main evidence for Juanita Brodderick's claim was that she told five other people at the time it happened. And Bialek has a similar appearance to Gennifer Flowers and a financial record similar to Paula Jones. And most everything Kathleen Willey had to say was a "she said" to which the Democrat machine was a "he said."
It is however apparent to me that this "politics of personal destruction" is coming from the liberal side and the media, but I repeat myself.
Indeed accusing conservatives of moral turpitude appears to be part of the Democrat general campaign strategy.
They must be very much afraid of Cain to do this much of it so early in the election cycle.
The objective I believe is to have Obama run against Romney. I imagine they have files of late night talk show jokes to make a mockery of Romney at the expense of the LDS, e.g. sacred underwear, "white and delightsome".
They probably believe that Obama would easily win because Romney could no more recover from mockery than Howard Dean and would be stuck with ridicule-as-truth much like Palin was with the claim that she could Russia from her house.
Sadly, many of the youngers out there - who Obama needs to get reelected - think Jon Stewart is a journalist.
I’m in for $99.90 too.
Wish it could be more.
Is your keyboard broken?
This is something I hadn't thought about. My only disagreement would be that other than Allred's client I don't believe there has been an accusation of physical contact. What little we know from the NRA settlement was it was because of words that made them feel uncomfortable. In a case like that I'm not inclined to condemn Cain just because he said things he shouldn't have.
Indeed accusing conservatives of moral turpitude appears to be part of the Democrat general campaign strategy.
Our candidates are expected to be "sinless" since we are those "hypocrites" who go to church, believe in God and have a moral code. Obviously, it's an impossible standard but it makes their base feel good and it seems to work among the independents.
They must be very much afraid of Cain to do this much of it so early in the election cycle.
I think it's more a desire to face Romney in the general election. Romney has no core values, other than being elected. He is not conservative and if nominated will probably lose 25% of the base.
We saw Perry's character attacked with the hunting lodge stone issue, which Cain was eager to use against Perry when the opportunity presented itself. Perry was the front runner at the time. I'm hoping Perry recovers I think he's our best shot at a conservative POTUS. I just saw a quote on Red State that Cain is down 10 pts with women in IA. His poor handling of this has done him in.
Cain would have been much better off to have said that because of his exuberant personality he had told jokes in the past that some took offense to and he was sorry that people had been uncomfortable. Also, traveling on the road gets boring at times and that he often asked people to join him for a meal so he could engage in good conversation. If he had done this from the get go I think women would not have turned on him. Now it looks like he will lose some support among women Pubs and probably independents.
I think your observation that the Rats want Romney is spot on.
I also am a Perry supporter. Sure he has warts. Who doesn't?
But my true belief is that this country desperately needs a President who will lead on his spiritual knees:
I have yet to see any evidence she was even in Washington DC at the time. Do they have receipts or something?
Shoot, they haven't even said what day this allegedly happened. They can't do that or Herman could show he wasn't in town that day or at a public event.
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