Posted on 10/25/2011 10:06:48 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Not only is this FRAUD (similar to using stolen VINs), it conspires against the NFA Act of 1934 and Gun Control Act of 1968 regulating FFL holders.
Basically, these idiots (ON PAPER) were taking this gun, worth $200.00 in 1986, $3,000.00+ today) :
and turning them into much more valuable.....
Thompson Submachineguns that sell for $11,000 to 50,000.00
...and belt fed....
M1919 that sell for $15,000-40,000.00
Boys will be boys.
Are you anti 2nd amendment or do you just automatically side with the state against anyone they claim is a criminal?
Oh, wait! He did do that in one of the FFA states!
Will Arizona defend him from the Feds?
I don’t have a problem with it.
Tho’ why anyone would pay that much for a Thompson is beyond me.
All these laws should be considered UN Constitutional. Our masters have made automatic firearms the toy for the rich. A poor man can only dream about exercising his right to keep and bear arms.
All these laws should be considered UN Constitutional. Our masters have made automatic firearms the toy for the rich. A poor man can only dream about exercising his right to keep and bear arms.
The point the OP is making is that these "idiots" are defrauding honest gun purchasers to the tune of $10,000-$50,000 each.
Seems like they don't have the authority. And the 2nd just underlines that.
/johnny
I don’t see any evidence that any of their customers felt defrauded. These honorable gentlemen sought to wade through the blatantly unconstitutional morass of gun control laws, and create some valuable firearms that collectors can use and enjoy.
Let me repeat: They were CREATING VALUE.
And the fedgov prefers its government monopoly on machine guns, so it ruins these men who have never committed a real crime against others in their lives.
I know people who have (legally) taken an old HK that was licensed as a machine gun, and taken the legal key element and installed it on a rare belt-fed HK parts kit. Lots of work, but it added $20,000 of value, and the buyer was delighted.
You seem overly affectionate with the worst of gun control laws.
Big Thompson =
Little Johnson
The point the OP is making is that these “idiots” are defrauding honest gun purchasers to the tune of $10,000-$50,000 each.
The OP sounds like a jackboot-licker with his “conspiring against” gun control laws BS language.
You are in violation of your own tag line “You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.”
The reality is that individual citizens do not choose what laws to obey and which ones to declare unconstitutional.
The Body Politic does; through the Courts. The Courts have held the FFA to be constitutional, and neither your opinion, nor mine has force of law.
Sorry, you may not like it, but reality can be a bitch.
NFA revisions need to be repealed. The citizenry needs to be as well armed as the military in order to maintain the balance required by a Republic
We should NB that the 1986 legislation was the handiwork of supposed “conservative” William J. Bennett, pundit, gasbag, gambler and all round two-faced meddler in American politics.
I understand that.
I can CREATE VALUE by rolling back the odometer of my '99 Ford and selling a fraudulant product.
You are confusing reality with political expedience. The constitution says what it says and it doesn’t matter how many lawyers in black robed claim otherwise. People can do anything they wish as long as they are will to face the consequences of their actions, that includes either obeying unconstitutional laws or obeying them. The political class can do the same thing and pass all the unconstitutional laws they want. The reality is that one day the political class is going to face the reality of a public that is fed up. In the meantime the reality is that there are a lot of people right now that are completely fed up and wouldn’t in a million years sit on a jury and vote to convict these men.
That's just an argument for superiority of the state, period. People routinely violate the law, and as far as I'm concerned, the law merits all the disrespect it gets. When it comes to the 2nd amendment, judges are dishonest lying hacks, and I put Scalia right in there with the bulk of them.
But you are right, that the state will use all the force violence at its disposal, in order to obtain conformity, and to exact revenge. Get caught in violation of the GFSZA, or NFA, etc., and you are screwed.
“There is a legal case to be made that the serial number of the gun is the part of the gun being licensed and should, therefore, be transferable.”
As a vehicle has a serial number (VIN) adn that refers to that specific vehicle, might I inquire as to how welding that bit of material with the number onto an entirely different gun is different than putting the VIN of a Mercedes onto a Pinto and calling the Pinto a Mercedes?
Aside from the Second Amendment issues, does not such switching become fraud?
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