Posted on 10/17/2011 11:08:56 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
“Palin and Perry endorsed TARP also. Which of the candidates currently running opposed it?”
Are you really saying that because Palin and Perry endorsed it that Cain was right to do so? Palin and Perry have their own problems, and are certainly not the end-all be-all of constitutional conservatism, but even if they had been their entire political careers, it wouldn’t have made TARP constitutional or even smart policy.
Also, Cain said in last night’s debate basically had as his response “Yeah, I shilled for it, but I didn’t like the way the bailout was administered!” Having the common sense to understand that granting unlimited, unchecked authority to anyone, including the former chairman of Goldman Sachs, might be a bad idea in the first place ought to be a requirement for the GOP primary winner.
Bachmann and Paul certainly opposed it.
Of course not. But we are comparing candidates, if you point out a flaw in one, but all the others have the same flaw, then you have not gotten anywhere. Or, if the others do not have that flaw but are flawed in other ways, again you may not have gotten anywhere depending on how important the "flaws" are to you. If TARP is a biggie and extremely important to you outweighing everything else to consider, then I guess either Paul or Bachmann are the only choices.
“If TARP is a biggie and extremely important to you outweighing everything else to consider”
Actually, adherence and commitment to the Constitution and conservative principles is first on my list, as it ought to be for others. TARP is just one more example indicating that many of the candidates on the stage last night simply are not movement conservatives but are power-first candidates. Obtaining office should not be the objective of the Republican nominee. It should be the restoration of the Constitution.
Taking as the nominee someone who would cast aside principle and the Constitution, even for an end most agree is a good one (whether it be animus for the Rat candidate, e.g., not Gore, not Obama, not whoever, or distaste or love for a particular policy aim, e.g., killing terrorists, ending drug abuse, stopping crime), is what got the country into this mess in the first place.
“... He endorsed ROMNEY in 2008...what were his other options?”
Among others, Sam Brownback, Fred Thompson, Alan Keyes, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo...heck, do you not have internet access? It’s not like you have a real response to my point which is that if you are going to pick a candidate to endorse, picking Romney out of the field is almost WORSE than McCain. At least McCain has been consistent about stabbing conservatives in the back. With Romney, you don’t know when it’s coming.
Rent is not taxed, so that is not true.
“Do you think Cain would oppose a credible effort to repeal the 16th amendment? Considering his tax plan eventually has no income tax, I think He’d be on your side.”
I don’t disagree but he’s not throwing that out as part of his tax plan. He’s proposing 9-9-9.
“Meanwhile , he’s proposing drastic improvements, even if they are reversible (though he explains why that becomes unlikely politically).”
Might indeed be a drastic improvement, but if you’re proposing drastic improvement, why choose an incremental one? It’s like saying, “Now, we know that the ideal is a flat tax, so let’s instead remove all tax credits from the income tax.” Why propose incremental change in what is destined to be the biggest mandate that conservatives could ever have? Why propose a NEW tax without removing the old one from the table? Why would any conservative support a new tax without that guarantee, given the history of new taxes this country has produced?
Cain endorsed Romney once it was clear the Romney was the only choice apart from McCain (and maybe Huck).
I’ve seen his response in the debates, and last night was more of the same “I liked it but didn’t like how it was implemented.” That’s b.s. TARP granted carte blanche over billions to a former Goldman Sachs CEO, and suddenly he’s got problems with its IMPLEMENTATION?!?!? That’s like saying “I was for the French Revolution until this Robespierre guy came along.”
Cain’s reflexively not a conservative.
ROFLMAO. Yeah, I saw this, too, and I can’t understand why he says all that then likes the Fair Tax. How is that not a national retail tax?
I actually like the Fair Tax. I just don’t see how Cain can say what he’s said here and then be for either 9-9-9 OR the Fair Tax.
I know well that Mr. Cain aims to please, too—he’s all about not being for TARP now and joking about a border wall now, since other people don’t like TARP or his statements re: electrifying a fence. Cain is no reflexive conservative.
I ask the same question I asked about Rush Limbaugh:
If you are a conservative, hoping the GOP will nominate a conservative, given the impact your endorsement may have, why would you wait to endorse anyone until your endorsement has turned into nothing more than an ineffectual cry for help?
Romney wasn’t any real plus over McCain. He was just a product of the “anyone BUT McCain” reaction. Too late for any real impact on the process. Cain is simply not a reflexive conservative.
January 22, 2008 Fred Thompson Withdraws From Race
Duncan Hunter withdraws Januar 19, 2008
Tom Tancredo December 27, 2007
Sam Brownback withdraws October 22, 2007
February 4, 2008 Cain endorses Romney
Yes I have internet access did you want Cain to endorse people who had already withdrawn? Who was left Juan McAmnesty, Romney and Paul?
Romney wasn't any real plus over McCain.
Perhaps, but a lot of facts about Romney were not as commonly known as they are now. I would say that worst case was Cain did not do a lot of homework (like many other people).
Most of the SS receipients that I know don’t pay rent because they own their homes free and clear, although some of them have not taken advantage of the property tax deferments.
“January 22, 2008 Fred Thompson Withdraws From Race...Duncan Hunter withdraws Januar 19, 2008...Tom Tancredo December 27, 2007...Sam Brownback withdraws October 22, 2007...February 4, 2008 Cain endorses Romney...Yes I have internet access did you want Cain to endorse people who had already withdrawn? Who was left Juan McAmnesty, Romney and Paul?”
So you agree with Cain waiting to endorse a candidate until it was a foregone conclusion that no conservative was viable. I’m not at all surprised to find that’s your position. I’d bet most Cain supporters would be fine with your attitude, too, seeing as how Cain is not a conservative and seems interested primarily in running to push a national sales tax in conjunction with the income tax. If Cain was a ‘conservative’ in 2008, he’d have endorsed a conservative candidate early when his support might have meant something.
“Perhaps, but a lot of facts about Romney were not as commonly known as they are now. I would say that worst case was Cain did not do a lot of homework (like many other people).”
Oh, it may not all have come out, but the basics were known then. Romneycare. His flip-flopping on abortion. The man was as big a crapweasel then as he is now. And Cain endorsing Romney is not the same as the GOP rank and file lining up to endorse McCain as the nominee (I wouldn’t have, but I understand it). Cain endorsed a RINO in the primary, not the general, so he stood up for the wrong guy, and worse, did so when he could have easily shut up and simply waited until the conclusion of the primaries, when there was no doubt he was forced into it. He’s simply not a reflexive conservative.
So tell me about Al Gore and Perry? Maybe you support that space cadet Ron Paul? He has a few good ideas and a lot of bad ones..
What about Al Gore and Perry? Perry was Al Gore’s pal, just like Perry has been a friend to LaRaza and Mexico, as well as international interests that don’t coincide remotely with U.S. sovereignty (which is why he made that clearly fake anti-UN noise last night).
As to Ron Paul, I sure don’t have a problem with his consistency on the issues, unlike Mitt Perry’s faux conservatism. But I’m still open to voting for Bachman and lately, considering Santorum. On the other hand, Hell will freeze over before I vote for Mitt Perry. And frankly, the more I hear Cain, the less I like him personally. I outright detest his 9-9-9 national sales and income tax plan, which I cannot abide for its failure to remove one of the two taxes from the table.
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