Posted on 10/02/2011 8:34:56 PM PDT by Watchdog85
“I suspect that before November 12, Obama and his goons will invoke martial law and put a halt to all elections. I do not trust this government”
I’ll see your paranioa and raise you 90 million gun owners.
He doesnt have the balls...nor do his supporters...
Bill Ayers
And what are your goals to tax the rich
Hope it works out for you
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QUE? not in the least ... Do you not see the $16 trillion spent by the Fed and taxing you through inflation as a problem?
I’m just saying that we need to perform political Jui-Jitsu and use this to our advantage ... clean out some of the corruption , take the focus off of the (unfocused) demands of the crowd ... perfect opportunity to co-opt the situation ,, not with thousands of conservatives (we all have jobs after all) but by leaders like Newt that have no chance of winning anything but can get airtime and turn the focus.
Van Jones/Soros can be dealt with by having a conservative take the white house next year .. RIGHT NOW we need to get in front of this ... There is lots of material here to work with .
“Bill Ayers”
An entire crop of them...now in power...
And their useful idiots march in the streets...because they know they are about to loose that power again...
Beck was right on the money with this and way out in front of the curve...
Freaky...
“I don’t know that they are Communists”
Then look closer..because they ARE...and trust me...what they want is nothing close to what you can imagine wanting...
You want reform...they want destruction.
He doesnt have the balls...nor do his supporters...
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He is staring right down the GUNWALKER barrel at impeachment... anything is possible .. and conservatives are famous for sitting on their asses when they should be geting busy. It isn’t a lack of “balls” on the part of conservatives ,, the problem would be a lack of a central target for protests if this comes around (and free movement is curtailed).
You are correct!
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George Soros and Van Jones have there hands all over of this protest. And what are your goals to tax the rich******************************************************************************************************************IMHO this is Van Jones “bottom up..top down.. inside out “ thing
Obama may be wounded and cornered, but he still has the Roman Senate in his back pocket. If the House impeaches him, the Senate wont vote to convict. Obama knows Bill Clinton survived that scenario. Been there, done that. Best thing to do is not give Obama the justification to impose Martial Law and suspend elections. And of course the useful idiots are being led along like a bunch of lemmings into doing just what Obama needs. Without their crony politicians, the banksters have no game.
That’s what the Coptic Christians said in Egypt, too.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...
No. Attempting to co-opt is a foolish notion on *so many* levels.
I know a sure cure if they get too frisky..
Dude, like, stop hittin’ the bong man. Seriously, get a life and go peddle that commie crap somewhere else.
I recently worked in the title insurance industry, litigating a lot of mortgage foreclosures and I can state from personal knowledge of the actual issues and facts in these cases that there has been no forgery, fraud on the court or destruction of the land title system.
The issue is primarily that the mortgage companies who were trying to foreclose massive numbers of mortgages tried to use some paperwork shortcuts, such as robo-signing, document signing by people who did not actually perform due dilligence regarding the underlying note and mortgage obligations and shortcuts in regard to how the actual original loan documents are warehoused or otherwise handled in a complex mortgage market where the underlying monetary obligation is sold multiple times.
I’m not a defender of banks and they certainly have used their massive economic weight and lobbying influence to get sweet bailout deals, but the charge you make is inaccurate. They are guilty of sloppiness and cutting corners, but not forgery, fraud or harm to the land title recording system.
Let me amend my comment by saying that if there are any cases involving fraud or forgery by banks, they are a tiny, tiny number of cases where there were individual bad people trying to pull something off, not that the banks have a policy or process to deliberately forge or commit forgery. I was wrong to state so categorically that there isn’t any forgery or fraud, but if there is, it is a miniscule problem that has been part of society for a long time.
“I suspect that before November 12, Obama and his goons will invoke martial law and put a halt to all elections.”
A couple of his kindergarten play mates have already mentioned it
They are guilty of sloppiness and cutting corners, but not forgery, fraud or harm to the land title recording system.
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What is MERS if not a neutron bomb aimed at every county clerks office?
Why are foreclosures going forward in the name of Countrywide? America’s Wholesale Lender? Option One Mortgage? Why did DocX exist? they were a wholesale forgery mill operated by LPS ... Why are assignments being created 3,4,5 years after the fact, in the name of defunct entities , signed by secretaries at the foreclosure mills as bank officers? swearing firsthand knowledge?
Why are banks/trustees/servicers continuing to collect payments on mortgages that don’t exist as they were sold/liquidated when certificates were created ?? Or long after AIG paid off on entire trusts ... or paid by TARP ...
What about “mortgages” where the funder isn’t on the note ,, only an entity pretending to be the funder who is nothing but a straw man collecting a comission... on top of the comission collected by the storefront “lender” .
I can understand you not wanting to acknowledge the fraud as your title business (in this environment) depends on you pulling a “Seargant Shultz” routine but the facts are there to be seen in every file I pull ... The Florida Bar reports that only 16% of mortgage related/title docs are correct and valid.
I’ve got thick skin, but it’s pretty tactless to call a FReeper named JewishRighter Sargent Schultz. I don’t have a “title business” but I was a lawyer in the industry recently, so I had an inside view of what you are talking about. Your post reminds me about one of Rush Limbaugh’s great formulas (paraphrasing): “It’s not the quality of the evidence, but the severity of the charge”. You are making a lot of severe charges, but you really don’t have any evidence.
Let me boil down this debate to fundamentals rather than getting embroiled in charges and counter-charges. The underlying fundamental is the law of contracts. The context is borrowing and lending money and loans secured by mortgages. The contract is the buyer promises to repay money on certain terms to the lender. If the buyer fails to repay in accordance with the terms of the loan, the lender can exercise certain remedies, including foreclosure.
Before we get into the status of the particular loan documentation, a simple truth remains: the borrower borrowed the money, had the benefit of the money and owes the money. All the screaming and shouting about the nefarious deeds committed with the loan documentation don’t alter this simple truth. As I said, the banks, servicing companies and other players may have made a hash out of figuring out who is entitled to payments or to foreclose, but that, too, simply doesn’t alter the underlying simple legal principle: the borrower must repay the loan or suffer one of the remedies for default.
Again, as I said before, my general statements should not be misconstrued: of course, there are cases of fraud and other dishonest acts, but they are a tiny percentage. The rest is a paperwork nightmare and nothing more.
I’ve got thick skin, but it’s pretty tactless to call a FReeper named JewishRighter Sargent Schultz. I don’t have a “title business” but I was a lawyer in the industry recently, so I had an inside view of what you are talking about. Your post reminds me about one of Rush Limbaugh’s great formulas (paraphrasing): “It’s not the quality of the evidence, but the severity of the charge”. You are making a lot of severe charges, but you really don’t have any evidence.
Let me boil down this debate to fundamentals rather than getting embroiled in charges and counter-charges. The underlying fundamental is the law of contracts. The context is borrowing and lending money and loans secured by mortgages. The contract is the buyer promises to repay money on certain terms to the lender. If the buyer fails to repay in accordance with the terms of the loan, the lender can exercise certain remedies, including foreclosure.
Before we get into the status of the particular loan documentation, a simple truth remains: the borrower borrowed the money, had the benefit of the money and owes the money. All the screaming and shouting about the nefarious deeds committed with the loan documentation don’t alter this simple truth. As I said, the banks, servicing companies and other players may have made a hash out of figuring out who is entitled to payments or to foreclose, but that, too, simply doesn’t alter the underlying simple legal principle: the borrower must repay the loan or suffer one of the remedies for default.
Again, as I said before, my general statements should not be misconstrued: of course, there are cases of fraud and other dishonest acts, but they are a tiny percentage. The rest is a paperwork nightmare and nothing more.
PS. I have no financial interest in the mortgage industry. On the contrary, I wish I could think of a way to get out of paying my mortgage ;)
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