Really?
Posted on 08/02/2011 4:21:47 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Yes, most of us have an imagination, but we don't view the world through it as you seem to do.
I agree. Demonstrating that this document is fake does not prove anything else. It only proves that someone is trying to deceive.
On this I sort of agree. Nothing significantly new.
One would think that you might even get creative eventually.
And yet it says right on the document that they did not. So were they lying in their public statement, or were they lying in their statement on the document?
Sun Yat-Sen is a bad example. I believe Hawaii is very irresponsible in the issuance of birth documents and I have no doubt they have issued them to foreign born people often in the past, but the Sun Yat-Sen example is SOOOOO OLD that it conveys no moral imperative to take it seriously. An example from the 50s or 60s would serve far better. Of course the problem with obtaining an example from this era is the possibility that it constitutes proof that Officials were complicit in an intentional fraud, and along with the possessor of such a document may yet be held to a reckoning with the law. It is in the interest of both the holder and the issuer of such a document to be quite about it.
Even so, the Sun Yat-Sen example is too far away from the period of interest to be taken seriously. Not possessing a good example doesn't mean we should use a bad example.
Let us also not forget that unless you accept a definition of “natural born citizen” not in wide circulation here or anywhere else until AFTER the election - you are a traitor who ignores the Constitution - and our elected officials and conservative commentators who refuse to sign on are either morons or in on the conspiracy!!!!!
If you want a more recent example of a fraudulent birth certificate being issued to a non-qualified person, you need look no farther than Barack Hussein Obama II (aka Barry Soetoro, but of course that is going to be ignored as well. The question then must be considered just what example will not and cannot be disregarded as “a good example?”
Perhaps, I have better things to do than make comments except I do like pointing out that some people can't move on from an issue. I agree it is disappointing, but the media and really no one else is going to give this issue a moment of sunshine...that is really all I'm trying to suggest.
This deception appears not only on the COLB but also in:
1. The two 1961 newspaper birth announcements
2. The two 1971 Obama Sr airport photos
3. ‘Dreams from My Father’ written by identity theft expert Bill Ayers.
This leads me to conclude that there really is NO reason to believe Obama Sr and Ann Dunham are Barry’s parents.
If the desired result was to either have the text in the PDF searchable or replace them with computer fonts (in other words, a full OCR process), then this would be the case. But like I said, that wouldn't make sense with a document like this. The software here was used to detect text blocks and enhance accordingly.
Nah, I could never do that.
It is not necessary that an example of a fraudulently issued birth certificate be that of a President. Any ordinary person of foreign birth who possesses a Hawaiian issued birth certificate from the late 50s early 60s era would serve as a far better example of the salient point. (That Hawaii willingly issued birth certificates to people who were actually not born there.)
I have been in countless arguments where I assert that "Hawaii will even issue birth certificates to people not born there" but when asked for an example I give them none rather than argue something which happened at the turn of the century has any bearing on what happened in 1961. The only evidence i've been able to point to in these arguments is the Hawaiian Statutes which assert they will issue a birth certificate to the child of any Hawaiian resident, regardless of place of birth.
A Single example of just an ordinary birth certificate issued to someone known to be foreign born, would be invaluable in demonstrating the point. No one takes the Sun Yat-Sen thing seriously. Everyone chalks it up to loose territorial governance, not evidence of a usual and common occurrence based on Hawaiian governmental laws and policies.
If you want a more recent example of a fraudulent birth certificate being issued to a non-qualified person, you need look no farther than Barack Hussein Obama II (aka Barry Soetoro, but of course that is going to be ignored as well. The question then must be considered just what example will not and cannot be disregarded as “a good example?”
We can't use the accusation that Barack's birth certificate is illegitimate as proof that it is illegitimate. This is circular reasoning. Yeah, I think it's illegitimate, but we need proof that critics will accept before we can just say so. A Hawaiian birth certificate for someone born in Japan or China or anywhere but Hawaii would be invaluable in making the point that you can't trust the Hawaiian DOH to tell you the truth about whether someone is born there or not, and thereby it would call into question the legitimacy of Barry's document.
Had Sun Yat-Sen been given a Hawaiian birth certificate from the 1950s, we could use it to impeach the credibility of Hawaii's DOH. Having been issued around the turn of the century, no body is going to accept that as proof that the territory which became a state 50 years later is still doing such things. It's just too old to be taken seriously.
Here is the thing... I have a memory. I was a kid when Nixon went down but I was a very informed kid... I remember people saying then, “no, the president could never be in a coverup like that, too many people would be involved”. Then in the 90s, Clinton, on this very website, the same type of people said “no, no way the lewinski think is true, he’s the president of the united states!”. So now we are faced with more evidence of far worse offenses now that the other 2 cases combined, and once again the fingers of america are squarely plugging their ears. Its enough to make me want to emigrate, seriously. (And yes, I am sure many would say “good riddance”).
But thats ok we will all just look the other way and “beat him on the issues”, like we did Clinton in ‘96.
“Hawaii will even issue birth certificates to people not born there”
This has been known to be true for years. I’ve seen numerous examples floating about the Net.
However, each one of these Hawaiian issued BC’s show the actual place of birth. They will only list a Hawaiian birth if the individual was actually born in Hawaii.
“The software here was used to detect text blocks and enhance accordingly. “ - K
And just what software was that?
You do realize that these results have not been replicated in spite of many efforts.
OCR software is made for the purpose of creating the fonts table as the means by which searchable text is created or any other form of text is created for export to another application. Either you have an OCR scan software creating the font table, or you don’t have OCR software OR an OCR scan. To have an OCR scan, a font table nust be created and exported to the PDF, otherwise it is by definition not an OCR scan.
That’s when I knew for sure he was a troll. He’s pretending to be one of us saying ridiculous things, hoping he can get some to agree and make us all look stupid. FMD was BLACK, Maya is clearly not part black.
Do you have a source for that? I've been searching and can't find any discussion of OCR putting a font table into a PDF. I'm not sure why it would be necessary, since plain ASCII text with no formatting is adequate for making a searchable PDF (which is what OCR is for). And none of the OCR I've done with the intention of exporting the text to another application ever bothered trying to specify or render the font.
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