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Holder Lied: DOJ News Release Shows Obama Admin Approved ATF Mexico Weapons Smuggling
Salem[OR]-News.com ^ | July 10, 2011 | Tom King

Posted on 07/10/2011 6:09:34 AM PDT by libstripper

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To: American in Israel
...high impact weapons’ which include anti-aircraft guns, rocket propelled grenade launchers and mortars... [and mock Mexican Army uniforms]

American in Israel said: "Looks to me like the Marxist's in our Government have more than gun control laws up their sleeves. Sounds like arming an invasion to me."

Scary thought, but makes sense: killing 2 birds with one stone. Political points scored against gun rights, leading to registration, control and maybe even confiscation of guns in the Southern U.S. PLUS preparation of an armed invasion for communist / Shariah-law takeover of the United States.

I know what this sounds like. I know how ~crazy~ this sounds!! But the fact of the matter is, we have an administration recognizing the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. They are an "off-shoot" of Hamas, but that is an over-simplification. A Jerusalem Post article detailing the White House's attempt to explain and defend our support of the Muslim Brotherhood can be found here.

Okay, if you read that article, then that is STARTING to sound like maybe our radical support of a "communist / Muslim invading force" is not so crazy. Here is the rest of the story:

In 2009, a flatbed truck brought more than 15 boxes of evidence into a Texas courtroom, and the indictment took more than an hour to read. This case resulted in 108 convictions of five executives of the Holy Land Foundation, for funneling money to HAMAS, known terrorist organization. Then the Uncle Sam dropped prosecution of CAIR, and many other "named but unindicted co-conspirators" in the case.

A source in the DOJ says: “This was a political decision from the get-go. It was always the plan to initially go after the [Holy Land Foundation] leaders first and then go after the rest of the accomplices in a second round of prosecutions. From a purely legal point of view, the case was solid. ...There’s a mountain of evidence against all of these groups that was never introduced during the Holy Land trial and it is damning. We’ve got them on wiretaps.

"It’s kind of hard to prosecute someone on material support for terrorism when you have pictures of them getting handed awards from DOJ and FBI leaders for their supposed counter-terror efforts. How would Holder explain that when we’re carting off these prominent Islamic leaders in handcuffs for their role in a terror finance conspiracy we’ve been investigating for years? This is how bad the problem is. Why are we continuing to have anything to do with these groups knowing what we know?"

The un-named source says: "This is a national security issue. We know that these Muslim leaders and groups are continuing to raise money for Hamas and other terrorist organizations. Ten years ago we shut down the Holy Land Foundation. It was the right thing to do. Then the money started going to KindHearts. We shut them down too. Now the money is going through groups like Islamic Relief and Viva Palestina. Until we act decisively to cut off the financial pipeline to these terrorist groups by putting more of these people in prison, they are going to continue to raise money that will go into the hands of killers. And until Congress starts grilling the people inside DOJ and the FBI who are giving these groups cover, that is not going to change. My biggest fear is that Americans are going to die and it will be the very Muslim leaders we are working with who will be directly or indirectly responsible."

And: "To say things are different under Obama and Holder would be an understatement. Many of the people I work with at Justice now see CAIR not just as political allies, but ideological allies. They believe they are fighting the same revolution. It’s scary."

You can read the entire article at: Pajamas Media. So now we are back where I started: SCARY!

Is this all a nightmare? A crazy conspiracy theory? Or we are only seeing the TIP OF THE ICEBERG??

61 posted on 07/10/2011 9:57:19 AM PDT by txnuke (Obama votes "PRES__ENT" because he has no ID.)
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To: Parley Baer
A year or so ago Hillary Clinton brought up that there were assault rifles being found in Mexico that were bought here in the US. It was part of the anti-gun campaign. I wonder what she knew and when did she know it? Hillary may very well be in the know on this.

Why would Hillary do this? Where would she get the experience? Would she risk doing something this illegal?

Let's see.... The Clintons were having drugs flown into Mena, Arkansas, and then publicly trying to say they were fighting the drug problem.

62 posted on 07/10/2011 10:19:11 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: IM2MAD

I’m thrilled to see a story like this coming from sqeedunk.
Means the story is getting out, everywhere.
And this is why the MSM is losing their grip, they can NO longer control the news.


63 posted on 07/10/2011 10:40:25 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: libstripper
President 0bama denying that he or Holder knew anything about Operation Fast and Furious on Mar 23, 2011.

Obama on "gunwalking" - "Serious mistakes" may have been made (video)

Deputy Attorney General David Ogden plainly states that "the President and AG Eric Holder ordered" new facets to Operation Gunrunner. (and describes to a T the facets of Operation Fast and Furious) on March 24th, 2009.

Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious (video)

On June 27, CNSNews.com asked White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, “Could you tell me what is the exact date that the president learned about the Justice Department ATF operation to allow guns to flow into Mexico?”

White House Mum on When Obama Learned of DOJ's Gun-Running Scheme (video)

64 posted on 07/10/2011 11:21:52 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: Grut
As others have noted, 'Gunrunner', which Holder was talking about, isn't the same as 'Fast and Furious'

Maybe. Where did the money for F&F come from? Who was really in charge?

65 posted on 07/10/2011 12:34:31 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: kjo

I don’t know if they are paid off, or so liberal and Socialist in their political views that they are willing to accept anything other than to report honestly in their efforts to protect Obama and the rest of the slime that is currently in the administration and the Democrat party.

I have never seen such a hold on the Media and the Party. They are in self destruct mode.Backing this usurper in all he does.


66 posted on 07/10/2011 12:37:13 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Fast and Furious is just Gunrunner updated in March-April 2009 by Holder and Melson. In this link, "Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious" (video), DAG David Ogden outlines the additional resources and plans being implemented and he refers to Gunrunner. But everything he describes are known facets of Fast and Furious that the new ATF director, Melson, oversaw beginning around April 2009.

Making a distinction about the two names is almost meaningless. The real distinction, which would have to come out when/if Issa and Grassely get some people under oath and testifying, are the operational changes that went along with the beefed up resources and inclusion of more Fed agencies that occurred on 0bama's watch in the winter/spring of 2009. By 0bama's direct order according to DAG David Ogden.

67 posted on 07/10/2011 12:44:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: Rapscallion

No, Nixon was not impeached. The House Judiciary Committee issued articles of impeachment, 3 articles IIRC, but the House did not vote on them. Nixon resigned like 9 or 12 days later, well before a vote could have commenced. The Senate only votes on whether to uphold the impeachment voted on by the the full House.

I lived, ate, and breathed those hearings on AFRTS back in the day. LOL


68 posted on 07/10/2011 12:48:40 PM PDT by papasmurf (War is hell, but not the worst hell. Having a PRES__ENT comes close!)
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To: TigersEye
Something like this "shape shifter" entity? Follow the money!

Judicial Watch says that in March, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) issued nearly $80,000 in grants to Affordable Housing Centers of America (AHCOA), which the groups says is an offshoot of ACORN.

69 posted on 07/10/2011 12:57:07 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Yes, a lot like that. Take an existing program, inject more money into it and then change its operational parameters. Hide the flow of money. If it gets outed start changing the names again. I don’t think they will be able to continue with F&F though even if they change its name now.


70 posted on 07/10/2011 1:07:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: libstripper; Blood of Tyrants; yarddog
Prominent gun control activist, Sarah Brady said that, in a meeting, Barack Obama assured her that gun control is very much on his agenda. Regarding gun control, Sarah Brady recalls that Barack Obama said, "I just want you to know that we are working on it." and "We have to go through a few processes but under the radar."
71 posted on 07/10/2011 1:34:06 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; All
The more I read about this whole scandal, the more I think the Illegal is somehow getting bribed by the cartels. He wins two ways: 1) by getting the money for his 2012 campaign and 2) by smearing law abiding Americans who only want to defend the Constitution, themselves, their families, and their property.

Also, we dare not forget that he and Moochelle both have a great propensity for taking bribes, as shown by the $100,000/yr. sinecure that she received from the University of Chicago Hospitals Corporation about the time he became an Illinois state senator and her promotion to a $300,000/yr. PR VP position with the same employer just after he became a U.S. Senator. Shortly thereafter he got the same U.C. Hospitals Corp. a $1,200,000 earmark. When he and Moochelle left for D.C. as POTUS and 1st “Lady” U. C. Hospitals Corp. eliminated both positions. Bribery, anyone??

72 posted on 07/10/2011 1:59:56 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: txnuke

I’ve been thinking it’s only the tip of the iceberg too. The gun control strategy, which everyone is connecting the dots to logically, may be just a secondary goal. This seems too simplistic for such a dangerous, convoluted game like F&F. If they just wanted to have evidence that US guns were being used in Mexico, they already have that evidence to provide... the continual escalation of arms to Mexico is overkill.

I can only speculate what another goal might be.... maybe an armed Mexican takeover of some US areas, allowing more illegals/future democrat voters to invade? Whatever it is, it’s insidious.


73 posted on 07/10/2011 2:23:19 PM PDT by drierice
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To: papasmurf

“The Senate only votes on whether to uphold the impeachment voted on by the the full House.”

The House votes articles of Impeachment, similiar to a local DA filing a criminal complaint.

THe Senate, overseen by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, actually tries the offender to determine guilt, and subsequentially votes whether or not to remove the offender.


74 posted on 07/10/2011 2:30:26 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (Palin/West 2012)
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To: dragnet2

About the only thing I can tell for sure about this whole sordid mess, is that it was not intended to really trace guns.


75 posted on 07/10/2011 2:43:48 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
I think it was clearly a set up to gain votes or support, to further erode the second amendment. This was and has been governments focus/motive for a long time now.

The fix is in...I can hear it now....

_____________________________________________________

"Another mass shooting, mass murders, drug violence in Mexico....(followed by video of dead bodies in the street, children crying.)

We are reporting once again, it was discovered American guns were exported into Mexico which caused this.

We must do something to stop this bloodshed!

It's out of control...We must take control, it's destabilizing our good neighbor, Mexico...We have international support to bring this bloody violence to an end.

We're calling for stricter regulation and common sense reforms to the 2nd Amendment...Once and for all, it's up to us to stop this easy access to guns!"

76 posted on 07/10/2011 3:04:57 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Durus

Thank you Durus. Your statement is correct.

The press has made more misstatements and plain old lazy arse mistakes on this story than is imaginable. They are worse than useless.


77 posted on 07/10/2011 3:51:23 PM PDT by HonestConservative (http://www.freedomradiorocks.com)
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To: Servant of the Cross
“Impeachment...”

I'd rather just keeping shining a light on who he is and what he does, and hang him around Obama’s neck as another albatross that shows just how corrupt and radical this administration is.

78 posted on 07/10/2011 4:04:30 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Servant of the Cross

Nixon was NOT impeached. He resigned.


79 posted on 07/10/2011 5:05:12 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Mouton

Nixon resigned BEFORE he could be impeached, Clinton did not resign after he was impeached. Holder and Obama will not resign if they are impeached, either.

Vince Foster died. Many people died at Waco. Who was held accountable for that?


80 posted on 07/10/2011 5:10:38 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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