Not born this way: The facts, plus help available

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[scripter]

There have to be some gay freepers around.

There are also ex-gay freepers here.

[scripter]

I think most of us have seen those whom you describe. We’ve seen effeminate heterosexuals who outnumber effeminate homosexuals and quite a few groups. What we do see in study after study is that environment is always the largest factor in determining our sexuality.

[scripter]

I've read about all I can find on the 1972 study you cited. Unfortunately nobody cites the text of the study. Even if the study supported the born that way theory, if that's all the evidence available, it's nearly worthless especially considering the twins studies and the other posts on this thread in regards to rats.

[Honorary Serb]

http://oodegr.com/english/psyxotherap/crazy_john2.htm

[little jeremiah]

Here it be! Resources for “not born that way”!

[DJ MacWoW]

Thanks you!

[kara37]

I completely agree. I have always believed that some were in fact “born gay”, and others who were affected by certain circumstances or their environment.

[little jeremiah]

Beliefs are not necessarily fact. Did you read the artlce? The links?

It’s not even debatable any more.

[kara37]

Beliefs are not necessarily fact. Did you read the artlce? The links? It’s not even debatable any more.

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Then, why are you trying to debate me?

[little jeremiah]

I’m giving you the opportunity to learn something.

Encouraging you to read and learn.

[itsahoot]

I believe most studies of homosexuality is carried out by homosexuals, since they are the only ones interested in why, so their research should be considered suspect.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Wanting to make it look as normal as apple pie would be only one reason for asking “why.” It used to also be of great interest among normal mental health professionals who got patients who were “gay” but unhappy with the situation and were looking for a way to kick the habit. (And in some sense it still is of interest, but no longer in the mental health mainstream.) “Why” is a combination of nature, nurture, and mysterious soul.

[little jeremiah]

Bump for a mine of information about the actual causes of homosexuality and the possibility of change.

[Cvengr]

I'm just as God made me, sir.

God formed Adam in His own image.

Adam of his own volition violated God's command, resulting in sin, scarring his thinking and separating himself from God spiritually and also scarring his physical composition.

Subsequent generations inherited the sin nature from Adam.

Humans are corrupt versions of what God made from birth, but God still loves us that He has provided a solution for us to return to Him by His protocols.

We don't get there through homosexuality.

[little jeremiah]

For your convenience -

[little jeremiah]

Yet another BTTT.

[little jeremiah]

Yet another BTTT.

[little jeremiah]

Yet another BTTT.

[gopheraj]

I agree. IMO, it’s the hormones added and the OVER use of soy products.