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Arizona becomes first state to ban race-based abortions
CNA ^ | Apr 1, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 05/05/2011 4:24:46 PM PDT by bronxville

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To: trisham
Awwwwww *blush*
21 posted on 05/05/2011 5:16:44 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 833 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, time to arrest Obama)
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To: trumandogz; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
Are you supporting abortion for race or ANY other reason? Yes or no.
22 posted on 05/05/2011 5:17:56 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: trisham

Wiki says:

According to Geldof, he wrote the song after reading a telex report at Georgia State University’s campus radio station, WRAS, on the shooting spree of 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer, who fired at children playing in a school playground at Cleveland Elementary School in San Diego, California on 29 January 1979. She killed two adults and injured eight children and one police officer. Spencer showed no remorse for her crime, and her full explanation for her actions was “I don’t like Mondays; this livens up the day.”


23 posted on 05/05/2011 5:19:21 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 833 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, time to arrest Obama)
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To: bronxville; wagglebee; BykrBayb
I admire Brewer, don't get me wrong, and I think she has so many challenges that I can't even imagine how she is managing.

It is my conviction that without a Constitutional Amendment we will be at the constant whim of politicians regarding the issue of abortion. In the meantime, I am for anything we can do incrementally, as long as we don't lose sight of the ultimate goal.

24 posted on 05/05/2011 5:20:50 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: null and void

Wow. I hope that at the very least she got life without parole.


25 posted on 05/05/2011 5:22:45 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trumandogz

I fear that you do not understand this issue or strategy.


26 posted on 05/05/2011 5:24:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Wiki again. 25 to life, it looks like life is winning...

Due to the seriousness of her crime, Spencer was tried as an adult. She mentioned the attacks months before: “One of these mornings, you’re gonna look for me”, “no one understands me” “you don’t have to wait very long to see what is going on with me”. Neither her parents nor her friends paid heed to these statements. She pleaded guilty to two counts of murder and assault with a deadly weapon. She was sentenced to prison for 25 years to life. She is currently at the California Institution for Women in Chino, California. After becoming eligible for parole, Spencer was denied four times, including on August 13, 2009, and will not be eligible again until 2019.


27 posted on 05/05/2011 5:27:39 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 833 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, time to arrest Obama)
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To: wagglebee

I’m opposed to all abortions, no matter the ‘reason.’

The problem is that if you pass a law that says you cannot have an abortion if Y is the reason why you want an abortion, the woman will simply say she wants an abortion and her reason is X.


28 posted on 05/05/2011 5:30:29 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: null and void

Wow. I hope she never gets out. I wouldn’t want her moving next door to me.


29 posted on 05/05/2011 5:30:51 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Yes, some girl shot kids at a playground I believe. When she was asked why she did it, she replied, “I don’t like Mondays”.


30 posted on 05/05/2011 5:31:48 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: trumandogz
Thanks, I just wanted to clarify that.
31 posted on 05/05/2011 5:32:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: trisham

“It is my conviction that without a Constitutional Amendment we will be at the constant whim of politicians regarding the issue of abortion. In the meantime, I am for anything we can do incrementally, as long as we don’t lose sight of the ultimate goal.”

We’re in total agreement. :)


32 posted on 05/05/2011 5:33:22 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville

I am actually against this because it legitimizes reasons for and against abortion, when in fact all reasons are not legitimate.

To me this is bad law, as bad as hate crimes law.

Besides, technically in this country the left’s crux of their position lies in the fact these fetuses are not people. If they are not people like the left claims, they then cannot claim you’re aborting a girl or boy. If they are not people like the left says they are not, the issue of race is irrelevant.

This is terrible law. Worse than hate crime law. they need to ban all abortions for all reasons period. This just says there are legitimate reasons to abort and some aren’t. (And no, you jerks who want to argue, ectopic pregnacies are not abortions.)


33 posted on 05/05/2011 5:33:59 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: trisham

They’ll make her stay in California, at least until her parole expires. (Next stop, Massachusetts...)

};^P>


34 posted on 05/05/2011 5:36:14 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 833 of our national holiday from reality. - It's 3 AM, time to arrest Obama)
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To: trumandogz; wagglebee
From the article: "The law makes it a Class 3 felony knowingly to perform or finance an abortion sought on the grounds of sex or race, with a maximum punishment of 3 1/2 years in prison."

Imho, this is not about the individual seeking an abortion. I may be wrong, but I believe this law would apply to an entity such as Planned Parenthood.

35 posted on 05/05/2011 5:37:40 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: null and void

LOL! Thanks!


36 posted on 05/05/2011 5:38:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You make great points, but I believe that if by passing this law we save only one life, it’ll be worth it.


37 posted on 05/05/2011 5:39:59 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: trisham; trumandogz
I'm inclined to believe that abortuaries will probably just get the women to give another reason, e.g. they just "want" an abortion.
38 posted on 05/05/2011 5:40:51 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: trisham

Here’s the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Ann_Spencer


39 posted on 05/05/2011 6:09:00 PM PDT by PeteCat
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To: All; bronxville
How do you enforce this law? They'll just offer another reason.

Planned Parenthood would cook their books, if they keep them, to appear to be complying with the law even when not.

It seems like a law that would require sting operations like compliance for ID checking for liquor purchase.

40 posted on 05/05/2011 11:29:52 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Stay focused: Debt, Deficits & Immigration.)
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