Posted on 04/25/2011 9:31:58 AM PDT by Iron Munro
What you apparently fail to read from your own source is that every one of those, after the initial 13 and with the exception of Texas and, to a lesser extent, California passed through the status of US territory. In the case of California, arguments between slave and free interests and the Wilmot Proviso delayed the organization of the Mexican Cession into a formal territory, and as part of the Compromise of 1850 California was admitted as a state.The other exceptions are Maine and West Virginia, which were broken off from other existing states.
The fact is that the people of a territory can't simply form themselves into a state. The people of a territory tell Congress that they want to be admitted as a state and Congress passes an Enabling Act, giving the people of that territory the authority to form a state. And that permission is not automatic. Colorado started asking for admission in 1864, but it wasn't until 1876 that they were admitted.
You are aware, aren't you, that the Emancipation Proclamation was nearly a year before the Gettysburg Address, aren't you?
Do you disagree that ending slavery was the right thing to do?
I am. I'm also aware that it was a war measure which didn't free any slaves.
Do you disagree that ending slavery was the right thing to do?
You didn't answer my question: Freedom for whom?
“Not only do you propose bending over for FedGov™”
You’re not funny, by the way.
“I am. I’m also aware that it was a war measure which didn’t free any slaves.”
It freed about 4 million slaves, silly.
You're wrong. About 20,000, in US controlled areas of North Carolina and on the Sea Islands of South Carolina were immediately affected. And of course as the war went on, millions more were freed under its terms.
You didn't answer my question: Freedom for whom?
Everyone, including slaves. What's your point?
Perpetuating historical revision.
Read the thoughts of Lincoln's contemporaries on this, including the legal aspects of it.
Everyone, including slaves. What's your point?
Follow the conversation.
“Perpetuating historical revision.”
Revision? Hop in your time machine, go back to 1865, ask them whoever’s around what “henceforward shall be free” means.
“Read the thoughts of Lincoln’s contemporaries on this, including the legal aspects of it.”
Oh, give it up. You know what happened. Eventually the Confederacy was conquered, and no matter what else happened the slaves in that territory would never have been delivered back to bondage. The 13th amendment made the point moot, but the EP nonetheless provided for freedom “henceforward,” i.e. forever.
The year 1865 is incorrect for the Emancipation Proclamation.
Do you understand that war aims can change over the course of years?
“The year 1865 is incorrect for the Emancipation Proclamation. “
No it isn’t. It’s not when it was issued, no. But 1865 would have been the year when the 4 million figure I cited earlier was reached. It was also the year of the 13th amendment’s passage, and as such the last year in which the EP was significant.
But it is the time at which the number of slaves freed under the EP peaked.
Your claim that the Emancipation Proclamation freed four million slaves is historical revision. Period.
“Your claim that the Emancipation Proclamation freed four million slaves is historical revision. Period”
If it’s revisionist, then it was a revision of a revision, because that’s the way it was, and nothing but the fog of ideology could have made it any other way.
Perhaps while we wait for Palestinian Authority to get here you could explain how you believe the Emancipation Proclamation freeing four million slaves is inaccurate or constitutes some sort or historical revisionism?
You're both behind. Even .gov recognizes at this point that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't free the slaves.
Lincoln's war aims changed?
History doesn't support your contention that the Emancipation Proclamation freed four million slaves, therefore, it's revision. Unrevised history tells us is the 13th Amendment freed the slaves.
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