Posted on 04/21/2011 8:30:38 AM PDT by wagglebee
No, I am not a socialist.
Far from it.
However, it has been my experience that most people cannot afford the cost of medical care out of pocket.
That is why we have insurance to spread the risk.
Wow, how cynical ...
We spend millions to protect turtle eggs and fish and insects that the country thinks are necessary.. yet one little boy is worth nothing?
You and I may be dead tomorrow ...life does not come with any guarantees.. or an expiration date.. That belongs to God.. I believe God has saved this child to make a point about the value of even one little boy to this world..
Can't you celebrate that Joseph will actually be in his home with his mom and dad where he can feel the loving touch and voice of his mother , dad and brother? That for a time, known only to God, this child will have what every child should have a time with his family and some normalcy in his little life.. ....Priceless ....
Hold off on that victory dance. He's not dead yet.
Look at post number 18.
I was minding my own business.
I get really tired of you reciting it.
I was just recently at Auschwitz, and let me tell you it does a disservice to compare this baby to the people who lived in subhuman conditions and were exterminated there.
You do realize that this poster isn't about killing Jews don't you?
The truth is we don't know all of the conditions that were employed in Aktion T4, but I will grant that the victims of Aktion T4 were possibly treated somewhat more humanely before their than the Jews in the death camps were.
This baby has had attention, and medical treatment for his entire life. Comparing this baby to Nazis does a disservice to the people who died cruelly by Hitler.
Most, if not all, of the victims of Aktion T4 had medical care their entire lives before the Nazis took them away to be killed.
What terminal cancer demands a ventilator?
But the baby's not on a ventilator. So the doctors were wrong. Imagine that.
That's the problem with a position like yours. It presumes that the doctors KNOW beforehand what's going to happen. They are wrong too often to trust their judgment.
And do you oppose a ventilator for short term use? Sometimes people need it for emergency situations, such as a brain injury that they can recover from. Do you advocate withholding it form them as well and how do you determine who's worthy or eligible to live and who do snuff out? What criteria do you use?
Then why use the Nazi propaganda?
I asked the question first, but okay, I’ll answer first.
I draw the line between those who deserve to live and those who don’t deserve to live at the point where they either commit a capital crime or they don’t. There is no point at which I would put an innocent baby on the side of the line where the convicted murderers are.
Now you answer. Where would you draw the line?
It tells a lot about a person when they value money above life.
Why not use it?
Do you have any idea what Aktion T4 was?
I would draw the line when the EEG and MRI shows no brain activity.
I would also draw the line when a relative of mine is terminally ill, and prolonging their life would cause pain and suffering.
Just like it has been done for years.
So did Baby Gerhard Kretschmar.
Any more similarities you'd like to point out?
Actually, it's post 19 and I was just pinging you because you seemed quite interested in this a few weeks ago.
Now you seem downright bitter that there won't be a grave to dance on.
There is always dignity in a baby being held in the loving arms of his protective father.
Yes, I do.
This babies care in no way reaches the level of what the Nazis did to their victims.
There must be SOME brain activity just to breath ... to open your eyes ... So what brain activity would you draw the line at
Action T4
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This poster (from around 1938) reads: "60,000 Reichsmarks is what this person suffering from a hereditary disease costs the People's community during his lifetime. Comrade, that is your money too. Read '[A] New People', the monthly magazine of the Bureau for Race Politics of the NSDAP."
Action T4 (German: Aktion T4) was the name used after World War II[1] for the Euthanasia Program in Nazi Germany officially spanning September 1939[2][3] until August 1941 but continued unofficially[4] until the demise of the Nazi regime in 1945 and even beyond,[5] during which physicians killed thousands of people specified in Hitler's secret memo of September 1, 1939, as suffering patients "judged incurably sick, by critical medical examination".[6]
Although officially started in September 1939 it is stated that Euthanasia Program (Action T4) initated with a sort of trial balloon[7] with the instruction of Hitler to Karl Brandt in late 1938 to valuate the euthanasia petition of a little boy, who was actually killed in July 1939.[8] Hitler also instructed Brandt to proceed in the same manner in similar cases.[9] The foundation of the Committee for the Scientific Treatment of Severe, Genetically Determined Illness in order to prepare and proceed with the massive secret killing of infants took place in May 1939 and the respective secret order to start the registration of ill children, took place in 18 August 1939, three weeks after the euthanasia of the mentioned boy.[10]
From the official Nazi files, there is evidence that during the official stage 70,273 people were killed.[11] The Nuremberg Trials found evidence that German and Austrian physicians continued the extermination of patients after October 1941 and evidence that about 275,000 people were killed under T4.[12] More recent research based on files that were recovered after 1990 gives a figure of at least 200,000 physically or mentally handicapped people that were killed by medication, starvation, or in the gas chambers between 1939 and 1945.[13]
The name T4 was an abbreviation of "Tiergartenstraße 4", the address of a villa in the Berlin borough of Tiergarten which was the headquarters of the Gemeinnützige Stiftung für Heil- und Anstaltspflege, bearing the euphemistic name literally translating into English: as Charitable Foundation for Cure and Institutional Care.[14] This body operated under the direction of Philipp Bouhler, the head of Hitler's private chancellery,[15] and Dr. Karl Brandt, Hitler's personal physician. This villa no longer exists, but a plaque set in the pavement on Tiergartenstraße marks its location. The "euthanasia decree", written on Adolf Hitler's personal stationery and dated 1 September 1939, reads as follows:
Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. Brandt are charged with the responsibility for expanding the authority of physicians, to be designated by name, to the end that patients considered incurable according to the best available human judgment [menschlichem Ermessen] of their state of health, can be granted a mercy death [Gnadentod].[16]
Again, I will ask, are you so devoid of humanity that you cannot even use his name? Is Baby Joseph a person in your eyes or is he something else?
To: wagglebee
May God bless and watch over him.
18 posted on April 21, 2011 11:57:28 AM EDT by Cicero
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First of all, I did not create that post. Cicero did. I am BykrBayb. It's real easy to tell us apart. Even so, I fail to see how that post caused you to come here to continue calling for the killing of an innocent baby.
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