Posted on 02/19/2011 12:01:04 PM PST by Jim Robinson
The theological "arguments" I posted aren't mine as I'm not Robert W. Godwin.
If you have a disagreement with the arguments, I suggest you go to his web site, sign up to post, and defend your positions there.
Focusing on "personalities" rather than the arguments, themselves, isn't a good place to start.
And by the way, your inexplicable comments regarding creation, the Big Bang, etc., etc., don't follow from anything I posted. I can only assume that either you didn't carefully read the links, or you didn't comprehend what you read.
And thank you, dear Matachett-PI, for all the great links!
And I gather that is what's so absurd about atheists....
Thank you very much!
Meant to tell you I had a FR cap donated to the store:) Smiled and bought it myself.Hi back RadioAstronomer.I sent you a DC alert or whatever but I guess It never got through.We miss you,Fatima
What I have never understood is why you folks don’t participate on Darwin Central on areas such as religious points of view and certain aspects of science, and then join in with us on Free Republic in the vast majority of cases where we are in agreement. Considering the middle east blowing up and the economy being destroyed, why not work together on things like that?
A lot of the folks on DC were banned in past purges and have no desire to return to FR.
Speak for yourself. Others in this thread seem to have no such trouble.
"And really, I merely asked you a fairly simple question; one which I'll make simpler: How old is the earth, roughly?"
You want ME to do your homework for you? Like all people who aren't scientists, I can only tentatively accept what the latest (tentative) scientific conclusions on this matter are:
USGS
So far scientists have not found a way to determine the exact age of the Earth directly from Earth rocks because Earth's oldest rocks have been recycled and destroyed by the process of plate tectonics. If there are any of Earth's primordial rocks left in their original state, they have not yet been found. Nevertheless, scientists have been able to determine the probable age of the Solar System and to calculate an age for the Earth by assuming that the Earth and the rest of the solid bodies in the Solar System formed at the same time and are, therefore, of the same age.
The ages of Earth and Moon rocks and of meteorites are measured by the decay of long-lived radioactive isotopes of elements that occur naturally in rocks and minerals and that decay with half lives of 700 million to more than 100 billion years to stable isotopes of other elements. These dating techniques, which are firmly grounded in physics and are known collectively as radiometric dating, are used to measure the last time that the rock being dated was either melted or disturbed sufficiently to rehomogenize its radioactive elements.
Ancient rocks exceeding 3.5 billion years in age are found on all of Earth's continents. The oldest rocks on Earth found so far are the Acasta Gneisses in northwestern Canada near Great Slave Lake (4.03 Ga) and the Isua Supracrustal rocks in West Greenland (3.7 to 3.8 Ga), but well-studied rocks nearly as old are also found in the Minnesota River Valley and northern Michigan (3.5-3.7 billion years), in Swaziland (3.4-3.5 billion years), and in Western Australia (3.4-3.6 billion years). [ See Editor's Note ] These ancient rocks have been dated by a number of radiometric dating methods and the consistency of the results give scientists confidence that the ages are correct to within a few percent. An interesting feature of these ancient rocks is that they are not from any sort of "primordial crust" but are lava flows and sediments deposited in shallow water, an indication that Earth history began well before these rocks were deposited. In Western Australia, single zircon crystals found in younger sedimentary rocks have radiometric ages of as much as 4.3 billion years, making these tiny crystals the oldest materials to be found on Earth so far. The source rocks for these zircon crystals have not yet been found. The ages measured for Earth's oldest rocks and oldest crystals show that the Earth is at least 4.3 billion years in age but do not reveal the exact age of Earth's formation. The best age for the Earth (4.54 Ga) is based on old, presumed single-stage leads coupled with the Pb ratios in troilite from iron meteorites, specifically the Canyon Diablo meteorite. In addition, mineral grains (zircon) with U-Pb ages of 4.4 Ga have recently been reported from sedimentary rocks in west-central Australia. The Moon is a more primitive planet than Earth because it has not been disturbed by plate tectonics; thus, some of its more ancient rocks are more plentiful. Only a small number of rocks were returned to Earth by the six Apollo and three Luna missions. These rocks vary greatly in age, a reflection of their different ages of formation and their subsequent histories. The oldest dated moon rocks, however, have ages between 4.4 and 4.5 billion years and provide a minimum age for the formation of our nearest planetary neighbor. Thousands of meteorites, which are fragments of asteroids that fall to Earth, have been recovered. These primitive objects provide the best ages for the time of formation of the Solar System. There are more than 70 meteorites, of different types, whose ages have been measured using radiometric dating techniques.
The results show that the meteorites, and therefore the Solar System, formed between 4.53 and 4.58 billion years ago.
The best age for the Earth comes not from dating individual rocks but by considering the Earth and meteorites as part of the same evolving system in which the isotopic composition of lead, specifically the ratio of lead-207 to lead-206 changes over time owing to the decay of radioactive uranium-235 and uranium-238 , respectively.
Scientists have used this approach to determine the time required for the isotopes in the Earth's oldest lead ores, of which there are only a few, to evolve from its primordial composition, as measured in uranium-free phases of iron meteorites, to its compositions at the time these lead ores separated from their mantle reservoirs.
These calculations result in an age for the Earth and meteorites, and hence the Solar System, of 4.54 billion years with an uncertainty of less than 1 percent. To be precise, this age represents the last time that lead isotopes were homogeneous througout the inner Solar System and the time that lead and uranium was incorporated into the solid bodies of the Solar System. The age of 4.54 billion years found for the Solar System and Earth is consistent with current calculations of 11 to 13 billion years for the age of the Milky Way Galaxy (based on the stage of evolution of globular cluster stars) and the age of 10 to 15 billion years for the age of the Universe (based on the recession of distant galaxies).
For additional information on this subject, see G. Brent Dalrymple's The Age of the Earth, published by the Stanford University Press (Stanford, Calif.) in 1991 (492 p.). Last updated July 9, 2007 (akr)
Thanks! That wasn’t so hard and I’m pleased to see your answer (especially as one who is a friend of Glenn Morton.)
Some Darwin Centralers were purged for such scientific explanations.
It’s nice to see them on FR once again.
You’re welcome.
Glenn Morton. Yes:
http://themigrantmind.blogspot.com/2011/02/war-is-peace-freedom-is-slavery-warming.html
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