Posted on 01/27/2011 6:32:30 PM PST by speciallybland
This thread is about Rand Paul wanting to cut support for our allies. Not about domsetic cuts.
He is a pretender just like his dad who uses the concept of ‘limited government’ in order to undermine our National Security.
>> “So then we should cut our massive entitlement programs and domestic government over-expansion and public union entitlements.” <<
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Believe me, that will come to a halt in weeks, not years.
Obama and Bernanke have pushed us over a cliff. We are in complete monetary freefall. Two thirds of our states are also insolvent. We are at the end of our rope, but it doesn’t matter because Bernanke unhooked it from the top anyway.
Obama thinks the way out is confiscating all of the citizens’ silver and gold, but when he issues the order the government will be overthrown by the angry public that happens to be the best armed force on Earth, and already quite angry about what Obama did to their retirement funds.
Foreign aid??? What a laugh!
Pop some popcorn.
Yet by far they are the most representative and democratic nation in that region and a great ally of the United States.
Yet you would have us build a wall around us while they get attacked by the most vile dictatoral nations. I guess we just pull back all support and wait for enemies to overtake our allies and build up around us in your mind.
Rand Paul is 1 of 3 Tea Party Senators. If you look at Rand Paul Jim DeMint and Mike Lee, you’ll see where the Tea Party is on policy, at least in the Senate. I don’t know if these positions that Rand is taking are a surprise to Kentucky Voters. I would guess not.
We’ve been hearing a lot of good stuff from Rand Paul recently.
Time and time again the citizens of empires have thought theirs indispensable to humanity and indestructible. This led them to embrace policies that proved both of those assumptions wrong.
You’re living in the 1950s.
OTOH, who are the "conservatives" whom Bush did not stand with? Birchers? Pacifists? Isolationists? Foreign policy wimps? Lovers of our nation's enemies? Supporters of the faggotization of our military? Enemies of our military? Other Ron Paul sound alikes???
Things have NEVER gone very well around here for Ron Paul and his sorry ilk and they never will. He is a phony and a fraud and a delusional lamebrain who is about as and certainly no more conservative as (than) the unlamented Brit ubercoward Neville Chamberlain. I wish paleoPaulie well in his very limited role in investigating the Federal Reserve and a speedy and permanent retirement to the funny farm thereafter. His son Rand has a slim chance of future political success so long as he rejects his father's looney tunes foreign policy notions, his father's habit of cramming pork into appropriations bills so that he can pose for holy pictures voting "no" as others deliver the pork to his district, and his father's despicable habit of voicing support for social conservatism while voting against it due to his curious "constitutional" hallucinations.
JimRob had Ron Paul pegged on 9/30/07 and nothing has changed anyone's mind since except against the paleopipsqueak of Galveston, his Code Pink allies and the cowardice they all rode in on.
Well you seem happy about it. Now you think that you have an excuse for attacking support to our allies.
Obama is accomplishing your dream. He is giving you an argument to cut off support for allies and to end United States influence in the world.
This is exactly an illustration of how much Pualites are perverts. The take joy in the fact that they can use Obamas spending to diminish the National Security and influence of the United States in the world.
So do you support the Victory mosque at Ground Zero like the Code Pink loser Paul does as well?
If and when we can pay our own bills without having to beg and borrow from the rest of the world, then perhaps we can reconsider sharing our excess money with our friends in the world.
But, America and the defense of America must come first. I think you're underestimating the severity of our financial problem.
So what? I care not for the form only the outcome. I'd rather be ruled by a conservative monarch than live in a democracy full of Socialists.
Yet you would have us build a wall around us while they get attacked by the most vile dictatoral nations. I guess we just pull back all support and wait for enemies to overtake our allies and build up around us in your mind.
You can wrestle this strawman all by your lonesome.
Sorry but I am not taking on your view of how ‘limited’ our resources are that we have to pull out of the rest of the world and abandon our allies.
Cut the MASSIVE government entitlements to agency after agency, public sector unions, massive government domestic programs, etc....
Yet the Pauls are always crying about how we are spending for our defense. They are Code Pink wolves in conservartive sheep clothing. They are not cnservative at all.
(1) The United States spends more on its military every year than all other nations in the world combined.
(2) We don’t need to subsidize Israel (or any other country) with welfare to defend ourselves.
(3) It is welfare - taking wealth away from private enterprise and redistributing it to foreigners and arms manufacturers in exchange for political support.
(4) Foreign aid is defended as if it were an entitlement - just like any other form of welfare. It creates a relationship of dependency between the patron and the patronized.
{5) If anything is true, the massive distortion in the region caused by foreign aid stirs up resentment against us without producing any tangible benefits to our national security.
(6) Do you see Egyptians and Israelis fighting in Afghanistan?
I’m not arguing that there won’t be some who will never like Ron Paul at all, and I see you’ve pinged a few, but the overall favorability of Ron Paul here is higher now than it was in Sept 07. I’m not saying that there has been a huge change, but many are rethinking Bush based on Roves and the neocons recent actions.
The government grew under Bush, it did not shrink. There was no serious cutting. We’ve wanted less government for the last 40-50 years and we have always grown government. We need to cut it. That’s what Ron Paul’s core message is. Much less government. There are just a few more people talking like Ron Paul now than there was 3 and a half years ago. And I recognize that Ron’s Foreign Policy vision is not the majority position on FR at all. And I don’t think it should be. Rand’s vision is more acceptable, somewhere between multiple wars going on at once for no clear reason and close down all the military bases everywhere immediately.
Israel can take care of itself, if not, we can still assist without dumping billions of our tax dollars into Israel.
Screw foreign aid, and the U.N.
I don’t really give a damn what you’re against.
lol...
Mr. BigIF - Regardless of any part the Pauls might play in this argument, by what rational is it to our advantage to buy allies like Israel? THEY should be buying US as allies, and the same goes for the rest of the lesser countries who want the protection we now freely throw around the world at the behest of global bankers and other global masters.
And BTW, have you ever been involved in any of Uncle Sam’s most excellent adventures overseas, defending with our blood and treasure the “freedom” of corrupt little Third World cesspools? I’ve been an isolationist since I sat at the mouth of the Saigon River during the fall of Saigon and saw the whole charade come crashing down around me after waiting an insane week for the final order to plow up the river on an increasingly suicidal mission to rescue who-knew-what important muckity mucks from that doomed city.
No “conflicts” we’ve been involved in since WWII ever made a lick of sense to me, and I have long said to bring all our overseas troops home and cease all foreign aid. Build a missile shield and a strong nuclear arsenal, protect our coasts and borders, and use our own plentiful natural resources and know how and hard work to prosper, and let the rest of the world go to hell if they don’t want to become more civilized.
As for Israel and the Arabs, these are tribes that historically end up in conflict with their neighbors wherever they live. I say, a pox on both their houses. Let them duke it out any way they please, but please leave me out of it.
Good post, I agree.
You probably realize, many of these people here popping off about war and defense likely never served a single day in the military.
Just because we're Tea party, it doesn't mean we have to be in lockstep with every plank a Tea Party-endorsed candidate proposes.
People must learn to think for themselves as opposed to believing everything someone named Paul thinks or eating the garbage the media puts out without question.
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