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Sen. Tom Coburn's claim on percentage of SSDI, SSI recipients is on the mark.
tampabay.com ^ | December 18, 2010 | Louis Jacobson

Posted on 01/02/2011 11:36:02 PM PST by Angelus

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To: traditional1

You got that right. Lifstyle choices. And we all have to pay for it. Makes me sick.


81 posted on 01/04/2011 12:34:36 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: ridesthemiles

ahhh. Parasite. Great word.

They are all parasites on society.


82 posted on 01/04/2011 12:41:11 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: cva66snipe

What is a incomeplete Quadriplegic? I never heard of that. In another post, you said that you are a care giver, for your wife. You think that justifies you getting paid by the government to take care of a family member? Another sister-in-law was just diagnosed with stage four ovarian cancer; my wife and I are her caregivers; we work full time jobs and support her.


83 posted on 01/04/2011 12:50:55 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: cva66snipe

You don’t live up in Albany, NY do you. Just asking because that is the mindset up there.


84 posted on 01/04/2011 12:53:28 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: cva66snipe
“Now let me ask you something. If you and your husband had a car wreck in the morning and it inflicted catrostrophic damage what would you do? What would the ones you help do? You'd be at the SS office or you would starve and loose your home “
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See, you have learned nothing from what I have posted. I would not turn to the govt. (read taxpayer) for help. I would turn to my family, friends, my church, my self, and of course I would pray to the Good Lord for help.

I believe the govt. is not the answer to my problems and woes.

I get it...you have health problems. (the list keeps getting longer each time you post) Many of us do.

I just subscribe to the belief that Americans should not be forced into paying for others. If people want to give willingly then fine. (for example I willingly donate money and food and time)
I do not believe in forcefully taking money from hard workers to give to moochers.

You could continue to list a million more “I have problems” to your list and I still won't agree with you.

I believe in helping truly disabled people. Not people who have problems but can and should be doing some kind of work to help themselves.

You are obviously able to type coherently your troubles and woes here on FR. It is also obvious you have the time to do this as well. Do the math.

Americans are getting sick and tired of this crap. And I am one American who is not afraid to say it out loud. The taxpayers are not your keeper.

85 posted on 01/04/2011 12:55:52 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: sarge83

To top it all off. Here in NYS, I’m sure its in all other states now but these parasites are given so called ‘benefit’ cards to spare them embarrassment. The card is used just like an ATM card at a banks atm.


86 posted on 01/04/2011 1:02:42 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: rambo316
What is a incomeplete Quadriplegic? I never heard of that. In another post, you said that you are a care giver, for your wife. You think that justifies you getting paid by the government to take care of a family member? Another sister-in-law was just diagnosed with stage four ovarian cancer; my wife and I are her caregivers; we work full time jobs and support her.

An incomplete quad basically means the damage did not result in full quadriplegia. A full quadriplegic basically has no movement from the neck down. Quadriplegic means all four limbs hit. In her case all four limbs were hit but she got back the use of her hands somewhat. No leg usage fully wheelchair dependent and unable to transfer from the chair to the bed and vice versa.

We're not certain what all happened. It was likely a combination of several factors. One being stress which weakened her immune system. Another is it is very likely being born in 1950 she had a very mild case of undetected Polio. The doctors think this because her limb measurements were typical to Polio damage. Yet another is a narrowing at C-5 & C-6 in her spinal cord. One last thing is the myelin {sp} was damaged. She spent three months in a hospital recovering and three months in a hospital in spinal rehab.

No what justifies my disability is I am in fact legally disabled. All of the doctors I have had since 1994 agree to that fact of the matter. So did the SSDI examiner. This happened to her in 85. I worked till 1994. I did have to take a year off in 1986 when she came home to care for her till family {her teenage kids and my parents} learned to help care for her. It was that and therapy and doctor trips and I had to do the lifting etc.

87 posted on 01/04/2011 1:11:58 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: rambo316; cva66snipe

Isn’t it funny that “cva66snipe” answered your first question (medical problem) at great length, but failed to address your second question. Or even mention your caregiving of your family without govt. support.


88 posted on 01/04/2011 1:22:40 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: Aurorales
You'd be at the SS office. Now if you want to talk ending it fine. End it in a way that does not hurt those already in the system disabled who can not opt out into private insurance. What chaps my butt good is everytime a stinking politican wants to crow about Budget Cuts the disabled is where the jerks look first. This is true in federal as well as state.

Medicaid a system which was intended to be catrostrophic illness of worker or death of wage earner has been turned into Universal Health Care in my state. Guess who they keep trying to toss off the roll? And you think I shouldn't be madder than hell about it? I expect this coverage to be honored the same as if I had paid a private insurer the premiums. I had to pay uncle there was no choice. At $6.25 an hour supporting a family working 12-14 hours a day I could not afford any more insurance.

I'm sick and tired of ones who think by waving their magical Libertarian wand it will end all this overnight and to hell with who gets hurt doing it. Who do you want to start in on after that? Disabled Vets?

Gee I do wonder if the good doctor senator ever took a penny of Medicare. If so then he should pay ever last cent back. Right?

89 posted on 01/04/2011 1:35:52 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Aurorales
Or even mention your caregiving of your family without govt. support.

I DID NOT EVER AT ANY TIME GET PAID TO BE A CAREGIVER. COULD YOU PAY A QUARTER MILLION HOSPITAL BILL OFF? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT CATROSTROPHIC ILLNESS EVEN IS? I ONLY MADE $13,000 a YEAR AT MY FULL TIME JOB. MAYBE MORE TOWARD THE LAST DUE TO OVERTIME. I TOOK A $4000 INCOME HIT GOING ON DISABILITY.

I'll tell you what though. It would actually make far more sense to pay a family member say $9000 a year or even $5000 to care for someone full time than to pay $50,000 Plus per year for a nursing home. Most Nursing Home patients are Medicare patients. I'm not saying it should be done but rather it would simply make more sense and save Billions in tax money. Get back with me when Coburn goes after nursing homes.

90 posted on 01/04/2011 1:53:48 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Aurorales

Yeah, people like that are so self centered and all they think about is themselves and their circumstances.

This is indeed such a huge problem and it is why our government is falling to pieces.


91 posted on 01/04/2011 1:54:41 AM PST by rambo316 (Rush is Right)
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To: rambo316
Yeah, people like that are so self centered and all they think about is themselves and their circumstances

You Stupid Horses Rear. If I was self centered I would not be married to a quad I would have walked out instead. Likely like you would do. I'd done lost one wife due to death. I nearly lost this one as well while dating and several times afterward.

92 posted on 01/04/2011 2:00:37 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

I already told you I would not go to the govt. for help. Don’t put your obviously strongly held belief of mooching off the govt. on me.

I don’t know about your other “problems”, but reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

And please don’t try to win your argument by throwing disabled vets in my face. I am a veteran. My husband is a retired veteran, and my father was a disabled retired veteran.

I believe in taking care of our men and women who served honorably and who are disabled until they can get on their feet and work again.

Contrary to your belief, most truly disabled people, including our veterans want nothing more than to be able to take care of themselves and their families again.

Again, don’t ever speak for me. I don’t mooch off of taxpayers. I didn’t even use the public school system to educate my son. I home schooled him from kindergarten to high school.

I am not a Libertarian waving a wand. I am a Conservative American who believes in my Country giving me the CHANCE to succeed and prosper. This Country never promised anyone the right of success. It gives the opportunity to try.


93 posted on 01/04/2011 2:16:46 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: cva66snipe

Nice job resorting to ugly name calling.

Your posts do make you sound self centered. All that matters is you. Pay no mind to the hard working American taxpayers who afford you the liberty to type on FR and who you scorn for daring to be upset about it.

I would hope you married your wife out of love and not pity. But who knows.

(By the way, there are posting rules on FR which frown on ugly name calling. But you should know this by now.)


94 posted on 01/04/2011 2:22:57 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: Aurorales
Nice job resorting to ugly name calling.

Calling me self centered was first blood IMO. I was engaged to my wife before marriage. Before her my first wife had died one morning of a massive heart attack after I left for work. She was 23. Now maybe you might understand why I had to be treated for PTSD and why a bunch of things came crashing down on me at once. More things than my mind and body could handle. Within a year before my disability I saw my daughter nearly die in a wreck and later I was involved in one at work {I was rear ended} and thought an infant had died when I checked the car that hit me.

Life stresses added to my own medical conditions & were a major factor that triggered a chain of irreverisble and permenant medical events. It took a therapist five years just to get me past PTSD. In the mean time I had made more ER runs with my wife than I could count.

95 posted on 01/04/2011 2:35:56 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Saying Self-centered and saying Stupid Horses Rear are a little different you have to admit.

Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

Your laundry list never ends.

I am sorry for your troubles, but what gives you the right to take my money to fix them?

Simple question.


96 posted on 01/04/2011 2:43:21 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: Aurorales
but what gives you the right to take my money to fix them?

What gave the government the right to take money from my pay for insurance? If I was collecting SSI I might see your complaint. All money I have taken in SSI was repaid. If you pay Social Security from your wages you too are covered the same as me in the event of disability. You'd likely draw a much higher check though. Disability checks are based on what you paid in. The more you paid in the higher your check is.

I feel no more guilt than if I was drawing the same coverage benifits from a private insurer. Why? Because premiums were paid for a service at some point in my life I may or may not have ever needed. I never figured I'd be disabled actually. Do you feel guilty for filing insurance claims with private insurers and taking others peoples premium money? Just curoious?

97 posted on 01/04/2011 3:04:22 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
My wife has clinically diagnosed PTSD from physical and emotional childhood abuse she suffered. I fortunately make enough money (with economizing) that she hasn't had to work since 2002 in order to be able to sort through everything and try to get her mind cleared to where not every little stress can drive her into a mix of rage, tears and confusion - a trait that made it hard for her to keep a job more than six months throughout her adult life. It has not been a linear, even process but she is getting better.

Folks who haven't either experienced such or dealt with a loved one who has often cannot understand how profoundly it affects a person.

98 posted on 01/04/2011 3:52:00 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rambo316

Yep. I knew a guy who got Disability for drugs


99 posted on 01/04/2011 3:57:51 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Aurorales

“fibromyalgia “

Another common one is epilepsy


100 posted on 01/04/2011 3:58:59 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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