Posted on 09/23/2010 5:24:36 AM PDT by marktwain
what’s the big deal about handing a police officer your driver’s license?
On WHAT basis? (disturbing the peace) No peace was disturbed until the officers intervened in a previously peaceful setting.
The article states these gentlemen offered no physical resistance or back talk, just not the forthcoming cooperation the officers sought.
This’ll be interesting to follow.
If you are close to this, please keep us FReepers informed.
Thanks for posting this update.
It’s perfectly legal for the officer to ask you for ID in the situation though, and you have to comply. You cannot refuse to ID yourself to a uniformed LEO as far as I know.
Why didn’t the 911 operator simply inform the caller that open carry is legal?
No different than folks making sure the Press were around for their ‘civil disobedience’ protests — protests that were justified in an era of (racially based) trampled civil rights.
It’s also no different than keeping a paper trail when dealing with a shady car repair shop. It’s prudence, which enables jurisprudence.
The 2nd amendment and its protection is no less an issue than protection and guarantees of other personal rights.
Protecting yourself from a he said/they said situation if it gets ugly that’s all.
It’s called having a chip on your shoulder and asking for a fight.
So, it’s OK for us to live in a “Papers please” nation? I don’t think so. The Press are covered up in sympathy for illegals who CANNOT be asked to ID themselves just for being openly Hispanic. Same issue holds here; just different specifics.
State law applies here, and I don’t know Wisconsin law.
This’ll be interesting to follow.
Police check people to see if they can legally drive or are impaired, regularly. Open carry really isn’t anything like carrying a carrot or a cell phone.
You are only required to have your ID if you are doing an activity that requires it, such as operating a motor vehicle. Police aren't authorized to just ask anyone for their ID nor do people have to carry it if they aren't driving a car or other activity like that.
The question is, does Wisconsin's open carry law require you carry and produce an ID? If no, then they wouldn't have to provide it. If yes, then they would, just like a traffic stop.
The real BS charge is the 'disturbing the peace' charge for all of them, even those who complied. They are being penalized for obeying the law. That is just police looking for revenge from an embarrassing situation that made the news.
How could the operator know if they were carrying legally? They could have been felons, that’s why the ID check.
911 should have asked “what are they doing?” A: Nothing but eatin’ and talkin’ OK ma’am they can have guns.
No.
But the police were called to investigate. They can legitimately ask for ID in the situation.
It’s not like they just walked in and asked for ID’s.
However, see the new posting on why this may have been a retaliation / setup ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2594740/posts
We’re now forcing our LEOs to be crime “predictors?!” They have to roll up on a peaceful situation and assess the possibility that the perps might commit a crime? This is ridiculous!
They were called to investigate, so they can ask for ID’s of everyone involved. That is legit.
They did not just request identification out of the blue.
However, see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2594740/posts
I hope you’re right...
Bingo!
Same as asking someone for ID if you THINK they are Hispanic.
No can do...profiling.
No it’s not.
This is not even civil *DIS*obedience performed to make a point. These folks were completely within their rights.
What if the offense were nothing more than wearing a:
(1) ZERObama T-shirt, or
(2) Gadsden flag ball cap, or
(3) a less polite FUBO polo shirt, or
(4) anything the ‘other side’ disagrees with?
Where the State gets to draw the line is an important issue.
YOU seem to draw a line that says open carry is across a legal and or civil line. That is your opinion, but it is not based in law or ‘in fact.’
Seriously, in your opinion WHY is it wrong to openly carry? Our police officers do it. These guys weren’t walking around with weps stuck in their waistbands — they were not presenting the appearance of a threat. WHY was it wrong?
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