Posted on 08/31/2010 4:17:24 PM PDT by wagglebee
And again, you're deceiving yourself. Those who refuse to deal with the core moral problem and promise you the moon on the money front are lying to you. Every bit of political history of the last couple of decades reveals this vividly.
The raw selfishness and myopia of the libertarians is astounding. They claim to want what the Founding Fathers wanted, but the reality is that they don't have a clue.
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Most of the brave men who signed the Declaration of Independence (and Revolutionary leaders who didn't like George Washington) were men of privilege. They ALL understood that they were likely fighting a losing battle and would very likely lose everything and be executed for treason. In the end many of them DID lose all or nearly all.
But do you know what the greatest irony is, with maybe one or two exceptions, the Founding Fathers personal finances would have been far better off if the Revolution wasn't fought and they knew this BEFORE the War started. The American Revolution was a HORRIBLE idea from the personal financial standpoints of nearly every Founding Father, they recognized this and did it anyway. They weren't running around worried about what "actually has the biggest impact on me." They were risking everything for principles, not greed.
"What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?"
Guess you missed this.
Got news for all you weak sisters. The tea party doers not have any organization, no structure, no leaders, and no one setting the agenda. It’s a leaderless mass of concerned citizens fighting to take our country back from the godless liberals and RINOs. Tea partiers know that our rights come from God, not man or government and it is through God that we will restore them. I’ve attended over a hundred tea parties all over the country and every Christian speaker that took the stage with a Christian message was enthusiastically received. Tea parties are for God, family, country!! We don’t need a bunch of whiny cowards to come in at this late date to try to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! The tea party is doing fine without your cowardly advice!!
Shhhhh...we’re not supposed to talk about Him.
A goodly portion of that bloated government is the enforcement of and cleaning up after immorality.
Trying to cut off the gangrene of bloated government necessitates socially conservative issues. Fiscal and social conservatism are inseparable.
Loved it all. This part was especially heart-warming:
"It will be possible and customary to use civil law and injunctions and equitable remedies to visit immediate poverty and lifetime financial ruin upon those who profit from abortion and to jail the perps without jury trials for contempt of court after injunctions are obtained. Six months at a time, life in prison on the installment plan."
(Happy sigh, stars in eyes...)
Commentary By Dr. Brian Kopp
AUSTERLITZ, New York, June 4, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The upcoming November US elections are being held under the shadow of unprecedented global economic turmoil. As the chaos striking European nations deepens and threatens to spread, American conservatives are concerned that the politicians they support comprehend the origins and implications of this economic crisis and are willing to combat it effectively.
Tim Chichester, a candidate in the GOP primary for the US Senate seat occupied by Democrat appointee Kirsten Gillibrand, is working with the New York state Tea Party movement to educate voters on the true origins of the present crisis. An unapologetically pro-life veteran of the culture wars, Chichester believes that the present fiscal crisis is a direct result of the left's war on life and the family.
Chichester says, "Frederick Engels focused on social issues as the key to transforming society to the socialist model; he firmly held that religion, traditional marriage and family structure must be destroyed so as to bring about social conditions that would usher in socialism."
According to Chichester, "These economic dislocations and disasters are the exploding assets of Western civilization. They are the by-products of social assaults, collateral damage in socialism's unrelenting war on the family. Every major economic ill we have can be directly traced to social policies. The promotion of divorce, promiscuity, abortion, pornography are all heavy artillery shells aimed at creating disconnected, disaffected and malleable individuals with no moral anchor or foundation."
"All of these policies", continues Chichester, "have enormous economic side effects as the individuals are severed from normal and natural social connections. Those policies that attack the family produce declining populations.
The American economic effects of abortion alone are estimated at over $50 trillion of lost GDP. Adam Smith noted that prosperity was associated with growing populations and poverty with declining populations. We must reverse these trends if we are to survive as a republic."
And Chichester sees a philosophical war emerging as a result. "What I see at stake in these elections goes far beyond balancing of the federal budget, desirable as it is. What is at stake is whether or not we will still have our republican form of government by the time these troubles pass - whether or not our children will grow up truly free. I see this as a last stand against what is coming. I do not expect to go down to Washington and come away unscathed, or have a long comfortable career. I expect to go to the Alamo, to fight to retain the Constitution during what is to be the Second Civil War: A war against the idea that man has unalienable rights. A war between Socialists who see man as property of the state and those who see property as inextricably bound to individual liberty and creativity. A war between the violent sterility of Socialism and the creative prosperity of a Godly people protected by a Divinely inspired Constitution."
Chichester believes that those claiming that the current recession is almost over, with economic recovery on the near horizon, are delusional. He likens the current market indicators to the receding waters preceding an economic tsunami. "As a Catholic, I understand the moral implications of abortion, population control, etc. I understand in greater detail the economic and social penalty to be paid in adhering to behavior that is inherently evil. When a society adheres to a great evil, the impact is obvious. Our world is ready to see the enormous economic and social penalty that has accrued over the years because of our disregard for the life ethic."
A vocal minority of Tea Party conservatives, primarily among the small libertarian faction, is insisting that social conservative issues be set aside in this election cycle to focus solely on "fiscal conservatism." The fiscally conservative Libertarian Party is even threatening to run a candidate in the Kentucky Senate race against one of their own, Rand Paul, because of his support for a federal abortion ban and his opposition to gay marriage.
In this election, Chichester is urging social conservatives not to be deceived by "fiscal conservatives" seeking to forge a larger coalition based on marginalizing social issues, because this war is one which fiscal conservatism alone simply cannot win.
I think there is considerable confusion about just who is trying to hijack and climb aboard whose movement.
Did.
I think there is considerable confusion about just who is trying to hijack and climb aboard whose movement.
No... I didn’t.
More ideas about who actually *controls* the tea party platform. A little like herding cats, isn’t it?
So Jim Robinson is wrong?
Fortunately, social conservatives make up the vast majority of the Tea Party movement. The only question is whether we’re going to roll over and let the fiscal-conservatism-only minority dictate the agenda.
That’s why threads and articles like this are important in waking up the social conservative majority of the Tea Party movement to the threat posed by this vocal minority.
I didn’t say that. But while Jim certainly controls the agenda of this site, he is just one voice in the tea party with an opinion on where it should go.
Look you guys... Why are you bullying me like I’m the one standing in your way of banning abortion? I’m not. I’ve voted for pro-life candidates for YEARS. I just have my priorities, as do you. I don’t happen to think social agendas are the most compelling issue right now, but you’re free to. I care more about the size of government and my taxes. That’s what gets me involved. Anything else is gravy.
Time will tell where it goes and what people think is most important... And inevitably how successful it is. I guess it depends on how many directions it gets pulled, and whether a strong, decisive, attractive leader actually rises to the top of this thing and gives it some direction.
I’m not the enemy. Back off.
I’m with you - let’s not muddy the waters with all the conservative agenda, let’s go with the economy. The demos are in trouble because Obama has gone too far left and Obama is in trouble because he’s not gone gar enough left (his voters) so let’s not go to far right - it will not work.
Well, if you use ‘include’ in that manner, then the article is completely moot, as the TEA party does include pro-life members.
Considering this author took the time to write this article, I would naturally have to believe that he did not think that the current status quo within the TEA party was good. So that would imply that he wants the social conservative agenda to be *more* prominent in the TEA party than it *already* is.
*WHAT* Libertarian social issues? Drugs - leave it up to the local community to decide. Gay marriage - ditto. Abortion - same for that, too!
Exactly *HOW* is that a pet social issue to be enforced by the federal government? And how is that going to be expensive?
Your comments fall into the “If everything was all different, everything would be all different” category.
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