Judge rules against Christian banned from Eastern Michigan counseling program

cna ^ | July 29, 2010

[lastchance]

Thank you for that very eye opening background information.

[OneWingedShark]

The school: it’s not a law, it is a policy.
The court: it’s not a law, it’s a ruling.
[/cynic]

[presently no screen name]

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. We are His creation, living in His world and according to His rules.

Man need not apply to try and change - what “I AM” says.

Every judge has the final Judge. There is NO stopping that. Live today as if it’s your last is good advice.

50/70/100 years here exercising free will is a blimp on the screen compared to eternity. I’d say the clueless aren’t good at math either. What’s funny is - they think if they don’t believe ‘IT’ - it doesn’t apply to them. Clueless indeed and all by their own choice - each man will be held accountable for himself - no finger pointing or sob stories allowed.

[backwoods-engineer]

A pretty Afro-American Christian woman. Oh, this is going to be GOOD. Millions will sympathize with her, to the everlasting consternation of the elites. She will eventually be awarded millions of inflated dollars. Pop the popcorn. Appeal, appeal, appeal, all the way to the Supreme Court.

[hoosierham]

Exactly;as a Christian she ought to have counseled the client to stop engaging in the self-destructive homosexual behavior.

1973 was also the year abortion was legalized.Two horrific sins made "normal" in one year,and America has been headed downhill fast ever since.

[flying_bullet]

And the only way to stop engaging in that behavior (or any sinful behavior) is to agree with God that it is sin and repent of it. It’s a start.

[jimt]

Hey, I guess therapists aren't suppose to have opinions or values, so, what about the other values they hold?

I've known a few, and all had severely feminized opinions and didn't mind showing them.

One was a vegan, and made her father's life hell with her nastily stated views.

Another was a marriage counselor of whom I remarked "I wonder what she did with her husband's balls after she cut them off."

[CharlesWayneCT]

I will make a contrarian point. If the laws of counselling require that the counselor accept homosexuality, maybe Christians should not try to enter that profession.

I would be like an atheist complaining that he can’t be a priest.

[NYer]

If the laws of counselling require that the counselor accept homosexuality, maybe Christians should not try to enter that profession.

To which I will respond:

If state laws require that a pharmacist sell the morning after pill, maybe Christians should not try to enter that profession.

If state laws require that a physician perform an abortion, maybe Christians should not try to enter that profession.

Do you see where this logic proceeds? Eventually, "Christians" will no longer be able to enter any profession because their faith is in contradiction with the state and/or federal practices.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Yep. If they make your kids play baseball on Sunday, you just don’t sign them up for baseball.

The question of course is when do you simply decide that the basic philosophy of a profession is antithetical to your beliefs, and when do you decide that the rules imposed are artificial and therefore fight to have the rules changed?

Or you could debate whether Christians should actively violate the rules of society when those rules keep Christians from participating in voluntarily chosen activities or professions for which the rules unnecessarily impose burdens. My argument would be that Christians were told to yield to authority when that authority didn’t force us to violate our beliefs, and that no voluntary activity can ever be claimed to FORCE us to violate our beliefs.

(I’ve heard parents argue that they were FORCED to take their kids out of church to play sports because the sports authority wouldn’t block off sunday morning. But where is it written that your children must play sports? Sure, it’s unfair, but so was getting eaten by lions).

So to answer your questions, if the law requires you to sell a pill you believe is immoral, your choice is to fight the law, and stop practicing the profession until the law is changed — I don’t believe you can practice the profession in violation of the law.

I imagine we would all think differently if the question had to do with some Muslim taxi driver refusing to transport a family because they were Jewish.

As a last analogy, I can’t imagine a good Christian girl getting very far arguing that she should be allowed to work in a strip club as a stripper without taking any clothes off since that would violate her religious beliefs.