Posted on 07/11/2010 9:32:45 AM PDT by GonzoII
It should also be illegal to knowingly accept a vote from an illegal or any alien..
Simply...
1. Build a fence
2. Agressively defend the border from ALL invaders
3. Fine employers who hire ILLEGALS
4. Enforce current immigration law and deport ALL ILLEGALS (similar to Mexico’s laws)
5. ALL ILLEGALS must return to their country, go to back of line and apply for immigration just as ALL LEGAL immigrants have done if they desire to become citizens or “guest workers”.
6. Priority should ALWAYS be given to Americans over any ILLEGAL or “guest worker” for any job in America.
Wrong. She is still doing radio ads for him. McCain is still ahead in the polls - if Sarah is as effective of a "Kingmaker" as everyone says she is - then she HAS to be having an effect on people's support of McCain, and NOT Hayworth. Her support boosts candidates.
The whole "she owes him" argument is so sick. Does an abused wife "owe" her husband for anything? She joined the McCain ticket to help save this country from the likes of Obama. Anyone would do the same if called upon.
She's an independent agent now - free to endorse whom she chooses. She has paid her dues to McCain by campaigning with all of her guts during the campaign. The campaign is OVER now & it's time for her to be her own person. She has chosen McCain - it is what it is.
PLEASE - don't make her sound like some Charlie's Angel that owes everything to the man that "introduced" her to us. We would have heard of her anyway, in her own time. To be a great president - she's going to have to stand up to people - and that includes John McCain.
I didn't get from that statement that there will be amnesty. Since the illegals are here & won't be mass deported, at least registering will identify who they are & where they work.
The next step could be to fine the employers who are hiring them.
Of course, closing the border must be done so as not to add MORE illegals into the country.
If O'Reilly would quit bloviating & give her a chance to state her case fully - we might have better insight on her position.
Do you realize JD hadn't even mentioned he was running when Sarah offered to campaign ONCE for McCain. Most understand it was probably a payback for him selecting her for his running mate.
These people that say she's continuing to campaign McCain just aren't telling the truth. McCain may have made some radio spots when Sarah campaigned for him ONCE but I don't she has control over that.
Does anyone mention she campaigned for Michelle Bachmann right after McCain. No.
I am tired of Sarah haters keep bring this up over and over. That's why I say they are Stuck on McCain. The topic of this thread isn't even about McCain but yet they keep bringing him into it.
Let me say I love JD Hayworth. I loved him as a congressman. I'd love to see him send McCain back to his ranch.
If you back to the 84 debate, Reagan actually explicitly said “I support the idea of an amnesty for those who have been here and put down roots”. He actually used the word amnesty. If he had been President today, it’d be interetsing to see the reaction.
Reagan did make a mistake there. However, there were only around 2M illegals back then so the numbers were far fewer. Also, immigration and border security was not really a major issue for Reagan. Domestically he focused on the economy, the military buildup, reducing govt, deregulation, etc... But his amnesty was one of his bigger blunders.
Yes, we all know that “immediate deportation” is not feasible but we sure can whittle away at those numbers and not pause. I’m sick of being inundated by sneak thieves here in Texas. Enforce the law, don’t give in, start deportation hearings and plan on the long-term effort.
Why must we buy into the mentality that just because something is difficult that we must immediately give up, surrender and roll over? Why have we become such a cowardly nation?
Fire all legislators one-by-one until folks start “getting it” and decide that they will do what’s RIGHT, not expedient.
Realistically, we are not going to be deporting long time ‘residents’ with US citizen children. Even if we could, huge sections of many cities in the SW would become ghost towns with all the problems attached. We should trade amnesty with fines for some in return for true border security, deportation of many, an end to government services for illegals and the automatic citizenship for children born to illegals in the future.
I would support the childdren initiative under the circumstances that a law is implementd disallowing any future in-country births from automatic citizenship and if the parents can show proof of employment and medical insurance.
Ronald Reagan not only endorsed George Bush sr., he nominated him to be his vice president. Remember Richard Schweiker? Reagan nominated that RINO to be his vice president in 1976 as well.
This is not to castigate Reagan, it is to castigate you for the obvious obsession you have in bringing up Sarah Palin’s endorsement, even on threads that have nothing to do with John McCain. Sarah Palin is going to support his reelection bid, deal with it. I don’t like McCain but Sarah Palin has a right to endorse him if she chooses. If you believe this is such an egregious decision on her part then explain to me and the rest of FR why you are not making the same points about Reagan when he clearly endorsed and chose to run with people who were RINO’S. The bottom line is no politician will make every choice that we would like them to make. Reagan didn’t and Palin won’t. Now either tell us who you support so we can evaluate their endorsement record or explain why Sarah Palin is the only person you are applying this standard to.
I am not a Palin hater. Thats all I am going to say to you.
Grow up.
Look. There will be amnesty.
Every one of you should get used to the idea now.
The very best that can happen is that we assure that the border is enforced before agreeing to what form the amnesty will take. Americans will never -- never -- agree to watching millions of people forcibly removed from the country.
Ain't gonna happen. You're deluding yourselves if you even entertain the thought. I'm as principled as any of you, but sometimes you have to be pragmatic. This is politics.
That very well may be true, but keep the fact in mind that if amnesty is granted in the next two years, you can kiss away the idea Palin or any republican will ever be able to win an election.
“Every one of you should get used to the idea now.
The very best that can happen is that we assure that the border is enforced before agreeing to what form the amnesty will take. Americans will never — never — agree to watching millions of people forcibly removed from the country. “
That is why Palin’s approach is a close to perfect as we as conservatives are likely to find. Close the border, strengthen the I9 process, makes all illegals register or face deportation, create a guest worker program that sets a specific termination date, then deport when that time is elapsed. eliminates the liberal grandstanding and prevents the illegals from getting the right to vote or to stay indefinitely. I will say again, Sarah Palin is the only politician that understands this. To try to force deportation of 12 million people at once will make amnesty a near certainty. Slowly bleeding off the illegals through a guest worked program that expires their say will not solve the problem instantly but will reduce the odds of amnesty being granted. Palin is a shrewd politician.
"Amnesty" to me means instant and complete forgiveness. That's not what most people are proposing. Most people, including Bush, wanted some hoops to jump before citizenship.
After he was out of office, RR admitted his amnesty was a mistake. I am certain were he alive today he would not support immigration reform in its current form.
VAN SUSTEREN: Both parties have made promises. I mean, we pull up sound bites where, you know, both sides, you know, Democrat, Republicans, say, you know, Secure the border, secure the border. And then once in office, we certainly don't see a whole lot of action. Had the election gone another way, or even if you were president, what would you do about immigration?
PALIN: The very first thing is literally secure the border!
VAN SUSTEREN: How?
PALIN: People mock the idea of a fence. What's wrong with building a fence? Yes, let's physically secure the border. Let's ramp up border control. Let's provide the tools for those who are putting their lives on the line in order to stop illegal immigration of these aliens. Those are a couple of things.
And then you don't start talking about amnesty, either, kind of as this last-minute, Oh, anybody who's here in the country right now, we're going to provide you amnesty, and even though you've broken the law and we are a nation of laws, you've broken that, we'll still give you -- because then there's going to be a huge influx of those wanting kind of at the last minute to come over the border because they know that they will forever then receive that amnesty.
So you don't start talking about that, but the very first thing you do is physically, literally secure those borders. It baffles me and most Americans why for all these years presidents, administrations have spoken about it but never done it.
Legalization is amnesty. It is a distinction without a difference in much the same way that people use "undocumented worker" to describe an illegal alien. Ed Meese is the one who said that their administration admitted it was an amnesty, not me. Reagan, in his signing statement said the following":
BLACK’S LAW DICTIONARY 93 (8th ed. 2004) (defining the term “amnesty” using IRCA as the quintessential example).
Reagan never envisioned the IRCA of 1986 as a blanket amnesty. Period.
But it was a blanket amnesty in much the same way that Hagel-Martinez and McCain-Kennedy were. I have read and compared all three. In 1986 you had to be here five years, learn English, etc. In fact much of the language in the other amnesty bills were lifted verbatim from the "Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986". "8 USC 1101 note"
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